The Empowered Principal® Podcast Angela Kelly | Tips for Meaningful Year-End Closure

As we reach the end of another school year, I’m focusing on an essential leadership practice that many principals overlook – creating meaningful closure. This process isn’t just about completing tasks and checking boxes, it’s about intentionally reflecting on our accomplishments and growth throughout the year.

Leading a school requires immense energy output, especially during these final weeks when we’re managing end-of-year celebrations, finalizing hiring, and wrapping up evaluations. Despite the intensity of this season, taking time to acknowledge our progress and celebrate our wins is crucial for our growth as leaders.

Tune in this week as I explore why many school leaders resist celebrating their accomplishments, and how this resistance impacts our ability to model self-reflection for our staff and students. By examining our relationship with celebration and redefining what it means to acknowledge our work, we can create powerful closure practices that benefit our entire school community.

 

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What You’ll Learn From this Episode:

  • How to create meaningful end-of-year closure practices that honor your growth.
  • Why celebrating personal accomplishments strengthens your leadership capacity.
  • The difference between authentic celebration and seeking external validation.
  • Understanding the impact of alignment versus obligation in leadership actions.
  • How to model healthy self-reflection for staff and students.
  • Ways to acknowledge progress without making others feel diminished.
  • The connection between personal celebration and sustainable leadership.

 

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Hello, Empowered Principals. Welcome to episode 387. 

Welcome to The Empowered Principal® Podcast, a not so typical educational resource that will teach you how to gain control of your career and get emotionally fit to lead your school and your life with joy by refining your most powerful tool, your mind. Here’s your host certified life coach Angela Kelly.

Well, hello my empowered principals. Welcome to today’s podcast. So happy to be here with you today and to be celebrating the end of the school year with you. So, let’s fire it up. Let’s talk about creating closure for the year.

Now, I know, it’s the end of May. You are running yourself ragged. You’re rushing around. There’s a lot going on. There are exceptional tasks that happen only at the end of the year. Most of you have wrapped up testing. You are in the process of finalizing hiring and closing out the end-of-year celebrations. There’s a lot going on. And it can be a very tiring and exhausting few weeks at the end of the year, but it’s also an uplifting energy.

When you are focused on all that’s happened, all you’ve accomplished and looking forward to the end of the school year and the summer break and looking forward to all of the festivities that come with the summer of fun. And shameless plug here, Summer of Fun challenge is starting in June. If you are on Facebook, join the Empowered Principal Facebook group. We’re doing our annual Summer of Fun challenge where we challenge ourselves and we support each other and cheer each other on to engage in life, to feel alive, to be alive, to be engaged, to have fun, to rest, to recover from the year, to reconnect with ourselves, with our friends, families, loved ones, and to do things that we love, to spend time embracing things that make us feel good.

The goal is to feel good, ladies and gentlemen. We aren’t here on the planet to suffer. And I know that during the school year, it can feel like you’re suffering. So, I invite you in to the Empowered Principal Facebook group. It’s a public group. It’s open to all school administrators or aspiring administrators. Hey, if you want to be in the energy of empowered principals, come on over. We’d love to have you.

Now, there is busyness and although I coach my clients to not use the word busy or to try and refrain from using the word busy, the energy output, the effort output at this time of year can be more intense than other parts of the year. And we can still decide to take stock of the year. To give yourself the luxury of reflecting back on the year and acknowledging at least one thing per month that you’ve accomplished.

Take a look at your calendar. Go back to August. Look at all you accomplished in the month of August, and then September, and then October, and how you got through the fall dip, and then November, you made it to Thanksgiving. And then we had December and the magic of the holiday season and all of the fun and festivities and the mid-year reboot and the celebrations and the reinvigoration and the rest and recovery, hopefully, that you achieved in the month of December and January.

And then we got into the winter season and we might have had a winter dip, but then we got back up and then it was March and here you are finishing observations and completing all of your evaluation work and coaching and mentoring your new teachers. All of that onboarding you did back in the fall. All of the coaching and mentorship you did, all of the conversations you had with staff and students and families.

All of the meetings you went to, the IEPs you were able to achieve and accomplish and connect with families and students. You have done an incredible amount of service for your community. And I want you to give yourself the luxury of acknowledging that. What felt good for you? What are you proud of in terms of how you handled something or just grateful that you had the perseverance to overcome something? Give yourself credit for the work you’ve done.

And I know the urge is to give credit to your staff or to the team because we don’t do this job alone. And that is correct. It is true and it’s lovely and it feels good to celebrate, but I invite you to shower yourself with celebrations and acknowledgment and praise. Because we don’t often give ourselves credit for the work we’ve done. Basically, we give other people credit for the work that we’ve done and we give them credit for the work they’ve done. We celebrate them. But it feels very uncomfortable to give it to ourselves. And I want you to question why that is. And this really matters. It matters as a leader and it matters as a coach and mentor to your teachers and it matters for student learning. Hear me out here, okay?

Think about this. Why do we not celebrate ourselves? Why do we not allow ourselves the luxury of closure, of acknowledgment, of closure, of being at peace with this school year and bringing the best memories with us and then moving forward and planning for next year? Why do we not do this? I’ve studied this. It doesn’t feel comfortable to celebrate. We’re taught that if you celebrate, particularly if you celebrate yourself, that it’s unbecoming and that we should be humble. It’s not socially acceptable. You’re egotistical or self-centered or self-absorbed or narcissist. You know, you only care about yourself or you’re looking for attention. It has a negative connotation.

We also think that, oh my gosh, other people are going to feel bad. They’re going to judge you for celebrating. They’re going to resent you for celebrating. I had a client say to me, “I can’t celebrate myself because the teachers will feel bad about themselves because they’re not happy and they will be resentful. Oh, it must be easy for you to celebrate the end of the year. You weren’t in a classroom teaching all year.” And so we worry what other people will think if we celebrate our success and bring some finality to this school year.

So, if that holds you back, if that’s an obstacle in your way, I want you to consider that. What are the objections in your mind when it comes to celebrating? Is it your fear of being seen in a certain way by other people? Are you worried you’re going to hurt their feelings? Does it feel like I get to celebrate, if I win, you lose? Is it an all or none thinking? What’s holding you back? But I also really want you to consider your definition of celebrating. What does celebration mean to you? What does acknowledgment and validation and honoring your wins, what does that mean to you? What do you consider to be celebration? Do you envision throwing a great big party? Are you walking around campus wearing a tiara and a cape and asking everyone to clap for you?

Think about what it is when you say like, I don’t feel comfortable celebrating or it’s not polite to celebrate. What does celebration look like? Because celebration, true celebration is not about flaunting or tooting one’s horn. And I think we get this image of, I think about sporting events where there is a win and a loss. There is a definite line in the sand. One team is considered to have won, the other team is to considered to have lost and the fans of the winning team celebrate while the fans of the losing team mourn. And we go out and we flaunt and we toot our horns and we get in people’s face and yeah, you lost, you were a loser. We’re the winner. It feels so good.

But does it feel good? Like to get in somebody’s face who’s not feeling happy about the outcome of a game, to get into their face and say like you’re the loser and I’m the winner? A lot of people feel that, feel very justified in that. But when you watch it, it’s not a celebration in the sense of I feel good and I get to feel good on my own accord and somebody else doesn’t have to feel bad for me to feel good.

So true celebration is just feeling good, being proud, being happy with the outcomes. It’s not about flaunting and acknowledging yourself so that others are in the shadow or in the loss of or in pain because of it. We think that if we celebrate ourselves, we’re going to make other people feel bad. But you can see this is a very classic case of all or none thinking. Celebration is about the acknowledgment. You acknowledge yourself for the work.

If acknowledging yourself feels too uncomfortable for you, let’s try this. You can acknowledge the outcome that you’ve created. Celebrate the results that you have created, that you have produced, the lessons you have learned, the skills you have gained, the wisdom you have collected. Celebrate the lessons and the skills and the wisdom and the results and the outcomes. If it feels too close to home, too uncomfortable to celebrate you or you envision yourself celebrating in a way that might make other people feel offended or hurt or resentful, celebrate the outcomes.

And the other thing about celebrations is that you don’t have to have other people witness you celebrating. You can celebrate your wins in complete isolation if you want to. You can celebrate them internally if you want to. You can have celebrations in private if you desire. Or if you want to, you can also celebrate publicly.

It is not criminal to celebrate. It’s not criminal to honor and acknowledge your efforts, your work, your accomplishments, your goals, your outcomes. You can acknowledge it in any way that feels good. That’s the key, acknowledging yourself in whatever way feels good for you, but to acknowledge it in some way, shape, or form. You can simply write it down if you want. But be sure this year, as you’re closing out the year, to recognize yourself and the effort and your wins and your accomplishments and your gains.

And here’s the truth. As you’re creating awareness around self-celebration and acknowledging your outcomes and your wins for the year, it’s going to feel a little uncomfortable at first, and that’s okay. It’s just because you’re not used to it. It’s new to feel celebratory about yourself if you have been told that it’s not okay or it’s not socially acceptable. So, the reason this is important is that you want to model self-celebration. You want to model what it looks like to bring closure to a task or an event or a program or a process or a school year. Right?

We go through the year and we want other people to celebrate themselves. We want our teachers to look back and say, what am I most proud of about this year? What feels good? What did I learn as a teacher? How did I grow? We want to practice self-reflection, not because we are egotistical, but because it’s how we learn, it’s how we grow. And acknowledging our skills that we’ve gained and the hardships we’ve overcome and the times where we did it right and we won and we accomplished something we didn’t think we could accomplish, it feels good. We want to model this as leaders. We want to model this in classrooms.

Imagine students who went back through the year and looked at where they were in August, the skills they’ve learned, the friends they’ve made, the good times they’ve had. It’s like looking through a memory book, a photo book where you’re looking back at the year and celebrating, “Oh, I remember that great time. I remember this. Ooh, this one was really hard. Oh, I remember when we had this conflict and we solved it and I remember when our teacher did this and that.” Creating memories with kids and creating celebrations to remind them of their growth and their development and their progress and the hardships that they have overcome.

So, when you’re bringing closure to the end of this year, it’s not just about us. And we tend to feel very uncomfortable when we think we’re doing an activity or an exercise or practicing some kind of ritual or celebration. When we think it’s self-centered and we think it’s just for us, that feels very uncomfortable and we don’t really understand the value of it. But when we look at when we do it and we invite others to do it and we see the value of closure, the value of celebration and its impact on our identity as leaders, as teachers, as students, then you will be more open to that discomfort. And I promise you this, you will get better at this. It’s like being new. It’s when you’re new to celebrating, you will be uncomfortable at first because it feels a little clumsy, it feels a little awkward, but it will get easier because it feels very good to acknowledge ourselves.

And doing so builds up your confidence. It builds up your belief in yourself and it builds up what you believe is possible to accomplish. When you look back and you see all of the things that you’ve done, you’re like, “Holy cow, look at all that I did.” It builds up your belief in what’s possible to accomplish in the future. You gain momentum when you celebrate and you look back and you acknowledge and honor yourself and validate, that was really hard and I did it. That year, this situation, that conversation, those meetings or this, you know, maybe you were fundraising to try and get a new playground or to get, I don’t know, so many things schools need, right? Maybe you needed a new roof or you needed, you needed new safety measures put in or you needed a new platform and you’re, you worked with your community and they were able to work with you and accomplish this. That wouldn’t have happened without your leadership.

So as you acknowledge yourself and the wins, you expand what’s possible for you and you tap into a greater potential. It becomes a win, win, win, win. A win for you, a win for teachers, a win for students, a win for the community, for the district. So it’s worth going through the initial discomfort of celebration, even though it feels a little bit awkward.

Because here’s what’s true. There is a difference between arrogance and celebrating what is true. Celebrating the delight of the accomplishment is not about your ego or stroking your ego or as people will say like toot your own horn or focus on yourself. It’s not that. There’s a difference between celebrating what has actually been accomplished. That’s not arrogance. Arrogance is maybe enhancing the accomplishment or celebrating it so that you can receive status, title, attention, and validation externally.

So just notice that there is a difference in celebrating out of arrogance and the need to be externally validated and celebrating what’s just honest to goodness truth, what you have accomplished, what you have done, what you are proud of, what feels good, and being delighted in all that you were able to do this year.

Now, sometimes we fail to celebrate ourselves because we feel jaded. I want to point this out because it is a difference in where the celebration is coming from and the reason behind the celebration and what we’re actually trying to accomplish in the art of celebration. Sometimes we feel jaded. We’re like, “Well, I don’t want to celebrate because others didn’t celebrate me. I did so much throughout the year that went unrecognized or uncelebrated.

So I have to just sit here and celebrate myself for all the things I did and nobody even cared, nobody even acknowledged it.” We feel a little jaded. And if you think about that, that’s where our ego’s kind of stepping in and saying like, “Hey, I worked so hard for you as your servant leader. I would like you to celebrate me and acknowledge me for all the hard work that I did.” We want other people to celebrate us, but we’re not willing to celebrate it ourselves. Just notice that. We want other people to acknowledge our efforts.

And I’ve thought about this. Like, it does feel so good when somebody acknowledges you or validates you or appreciates you. It’s not that we need to avoid the receiving of compliments, the receiving of celebration from other people. But when we celebrate ourselves and acknowledge it, we are more likely to attract and receive external validation. So when we don’t validate ourselves, we’re kind of saying energetically, I don’t really need celebration. I don’t need acknowledgment, I don’t need validation because I’m not willing to do it myself. And so other people kind of get a vibe like this, you know, no celebration, no validation, no accomplishments or accolades required.

I’ve contemplated this. Why do we crave acknowledgment from others? I believe that we crave the acknowledgment when the actions that we took were not taken from our own personal desire to take the action, but rather from the energy of having to or obligated to. When you think about that, when I have to do this job, I’m obligated to do this, I’m responsible for this. That feels very heavy, but we’re doing it because of other people’s expectations, of what other people desire of, of what we think other people want us to do. So stay with me on this. It’s very sneaky and it’s very subtle, but you will be able to start catching yourself doing this and you’ll see it from within.

Let me use an example outside of the context of education so that it’s easier to see. This is something that I’ve observed in my personal life. I’ve observed people who donate extensive amounts of money and time to their favorite organizations. They choose to donate time and money because they want to do it. It feels good for them. They enjoy donating their time and their money. They take personal delight in doing so because it feels aligned for them. They decide to gift their resources because it’s what they value. They are doing it from the mindset of this is what I want to do. This feels good. This feels right. It feels aligned for me. I would choose to donate my time and money to this organization for myself regardless of what other people think.

I consider resources in leadership, your time, your energy, your attention, your focus, how you prioritize based on what you value. When it’s in alignment, you will do that work, you will take those actions, you will put in the effort, the energy, the time because it’s what you want to do, it’s what feels good for you, it’s what you value, regardless of what other people think. And when you’re very aligned, and I’ve seen this outside of the context of education, other people’s opinion doesn’t matter.

Someone could say, “Hey, you’re giving so much energy and time to X organization. Why are you doing that? Or why don’t you give less or maybe you need more or maybe give it over here.” Other people have other values, other opinions. When someone’s aligned to the way that they spend their resources, it doesn’t matter what other people think. They do it because it feels good to them. I serve in this way because I want to serve in this way.

And believe me, people out in the world are going to have their thoughts and opinions about what you are doing no matter what. Some will agree, some will not agree. The people who love it tend to be the people who are receiving those resources and the people who dislike it very much tend to be the people who are not receiving the resources. Right?

So if you’re donating to cause A or to institution A because that’s what you love or you’re spending a lot of time and energy as a leader on this priority, the people who love that priority, the people who also are in alignment with that value of what you are doing and what you’re working on will be in agreement and they will support you, they will clap for you and they will cheer you on and give you external validation.

But the people who aren’t in alignment with that value or with that priority or with that project or task or however you’re spending your time and your effort, your energy, your focus and attention and money and resources and human resources and all of those things are not going to be clapping for you. They’re going to be trying to convince you to sell you to shift your focus, to shift what you value.

So you have to be in alignment with yourself because there will always be somebody who loves it and always be somebody who dislikes it. But the person, you, the person who’s choosing to donate their resources and in leadership terms, how you spend your time, your energy, your focus, your attention, what you work on, where you put your work isn’t interested or swayed by the opinions of others because they are in alignment with themselves. They are in tune with what they value and they are acting in alignment with what they value.

So when you’re doing what you love people and when you’re doing what you value, even though it’s hard work, even though it’s frustrating at times, even though you fail, even though you fall down, even though you get sucker punched or you there’s a huge plot twist and you didn’t see it coming, you still get up in the day and you go do the work not because other people are clapping for you. It’s fine to receive that. And when you can allow that and receive that and not need it at the same time, double win. But you still get up and do it because it’s what you value. It’s an alignment.

So, I’ve seen this where when people are in tune with what they value and they’re acting in alignment with what they value, no one has to acknowledge them or clap for them or list their name in the newsletter or the weekly bulletin or pat them on the back or have a celebration or bring them up on stage or give them a certificate.

In fact, when somebody’s truly doing it for themselves, they often resist that external acknowledgment. There are people who donate millions of dollars and they do it anonymously because it’s what they value and quite frankly, they don’t want the clapping, the people who love it, they don’t want the external validation, but they also don’t want the hate from the people who aren’t getting it, right? So they do it for peace because it’s what they align to.

Then there are people who donate excessive amounts of their time, money, energy, attention, focus to an organization because they believe it’s what other people want them to do. They’re chasing the clap, the appreciation, the acknowledgment. They feel it’s what they should do with their time or money or what they believe they have to do because it’s what their parents did or what family members did or what they were told to do.

They do it because it’s tradition. They do it out of fear. If they don’t do it, what will happen to them? It’s always been done this way. They do it because they want to help other people, even though they don’t get personal enjoyment out of it. They feel that they should help in this way because it’s the right way to help. They feel like they don’t have another choice or that there isn’t another way to serve in a way that they want to serve or to help people in a way that also feels good for them.

So it’s not that they are not aligned to the cause, like they want to help people, but they feel pressured to do it or they feel compelled because of other people’s opinions or because of tradition or because they have been told this is the right way to do it or the only way to do it or this is what you need to value. That’s really what it comes down to. When you’re told what to value and you’re told how to honor what you are supposed to value. And they end up saying yes to things, not because it feels good for them.

They say yes to things because they don’t want to disappoint others. They feel like they can’t say no. And they want to be seen externally as helpful and generous and gracious and nice and obedient. They want to feel helpful and generous and gracious and nice and in service, but internally, that’s not how it feels. It feels frustrating. It feels controlled. It feels exasperated and it feels resentful.

And when you’re in this zone, you’re taking actions because you believe you have to instead of truly internally wanting to. And you’ve seen this. People donate publicly with the intention of other people noticing them. They volunteer because they want to be recognized in the bulletin or in the newsletter and they are not pleased if they don’t get acknowledged. If they don’t see their name on that list or they don’t get a call out on the intercom or they don’t get called up to stage or they don’t get that certificate or somebody omits them, whether it’s accidental or they just failed to acknowledge them, these people will be very upset and they might not choose to volunteer next time because they weren’t acknowledged. And the reason that they would be upset or they would maybe pout a little bit or they would be offended is that ultimately, the reason they decided to take the actions of volunteering or putting in their time and effort was they wanted that external recognition.

And I’ve noticed this when I coach school leaders. Sometimes we find ourselves in the mindset of doing the work and showing up out of obligation or responsibility or because we have to and because the teachers are complaining so we try to fix it or the parent has a complaint, we try to fix it, or the kids are out of control so we try to fix it. And we’re out there fixing all the things trying to make the people happy so that we can be happy and then we’re frustrated because we’re doing it for the people.

Now, we all got into this job because we were called to it. We love children, we love to teach. We enjoy being in the energy of a school environment. We value education and we feel good about the work that we do and the way that we contribute. But we also have moments where we tell ourselves, “Oh, I have to do this. I have to do that. There’s no other way. I just have to do it. I can’t say no to them. I have to do it. The teachers will be upset. Then they’ll complain, then they’ll file a grievance.” And we start doing things that we feel we have to do, not because we value it, but because we don’t want other people to get upset.

Or we do things that we value having done, like the volunteer tea. We want the volunteers to be appreciated and acknowledged and recognized, but we feel obligated to throw the volunteer tea and to throw ourselves in and spend hours prepping and decorating, picking up all the sodas and the beverages and the snacks and the teas and the sweets and the treats because we worry that if we don’t validate and acknowledge them externally, that they won’t come back or that other people should appreciate that we are appreciating them, right?

So just take a look. How have you been recently spending your resources? And I mean your leadership resources, your time, your attention, your energy, and your effort.

And think about this year as you’re closing out the year and bringing closure to create a little memory, a mental memory book for this year. What actions have you been taking and what was fueling them? Was it alignment to what you value? Was the task completed in alignment for the duration or did your mind shift a little bit at some point into doing it for the recognition versus doing it for your personal satisfaction and your personal fulfillment?

I think about all the times where I went above and beyond for the end of the year events and it started with me enjoying the planning and the preparation, but as I dove into the event, my OCD mind and my little attention to detail and perfectionism tendencies mind started to add details and add tasks and create higher and higher goals and higher, higher expectations and standards for this event that shifted my energy.

I was no longer fueled by just personal enjoyment and letting it be what it was, shifted into perfection energy. What would others think? What if I miss something? Then I got fearful of was I doing this wrong? And I was thinking about what other people were going to think about the event, about me and it got into actions based on not wanting to disappoint others versus the joy and satisfaction of hosting the end of the year events that felt good for me, for us, for them, for the greater good, right?

So, as the school year ends, give yourself the luxury of personal closure. Celebrate what worked, what you accomplished, the effort you gave, the care and concern you put into each day, the conversations you held, the tasks that you completed, the love that you felt and shared, the happiness, the days that went great, acknowledge all of it.

And you can acknowledge what you didn’t get done or what didn’t go as planned or the hardships and things you learned, the sorrow, the disappointments, the mistakes, but they provided wisdom and knowledge so you can celebrate the outcome of those hardships. And there’s a list of we didn’t get to them or to-dos that didn’t get done. That’s okay. There’s always next year. So let yourself acknowledge and appreciate and validate who you are, what you’ve accomplished, how you’ve grown, and the fact that you are an Empowered Principal.

Happy end of the school year. I love you all so much. Join us for Summer of Fun challenge. Be sure to join up for EPC. We are taking a break in June and July for rest and recovery and fun and we’re going to get started the 1st of August. Can’t wait to see you there. Looking forward to working with you. Have a wonderful week. Take care. Talk to you next week. Bye.

Thanks for listening to this episode of The Empowered Principal® Podcast. If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, please visit angelakellycoaching.com where you can sign up for weekly updates and learn more about the tools that will help you become an emotionally fit school leader. 

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As principals, it can feel like there’s never enough time because you’re responding to one crisis after another without making meaningful progress on important projects. You need tools and concepts to overcome the overwhelm, helping you become more efficient and focused. That’s exactly what my guest today specializes in.

In this episode, I sit down with Steven Puri, a fascinating guest who had an extremely successful career in Hollywood, but has traded that in to help remote workers master flow, productivity, and efficiency. Though not my typical education-focused guest, Steven brings fresh perspectives on productivity, focus, and creative problem-solving that directly apply to school leadership.

Tune in this week as Steven Puri shares powerful insights about flow states, mono-tasking, and creating dedicated spaces for deep work. Through Steven’s stories from film production and tech entrepreneurship, we explore how to break unproductive cycles and find more fulfillment in our work. 

 

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What You’ll Learn From this Episode:

  • How to overcome the cold start problem that prevents you from tackling important tasks.
  • Why limiting yourself to fewer tasks actually increases your productivity and success rate.
  • How to create dedicated spaces that trigger your brain to enter productive flow states.
  • The counterintuitive approach to creativity that explains why your best ideas come when you’re focused on something else.
  • How mono-tasking can transform your productivity compared to the “whack-a-mole” approach to leadership.
  • Why your physical environment significantly impacts your ability to focus and make decisions, especially when working at home.
  • The neuroscience behind flow states and how to harness them for more effective leadership.

 

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Hello Empowered Principals. Welcome to episode 386. 

Welcome to The Empowered Principal® Podcast, a not so typical educational resource that will teach you how to gain control of your career and get emotionally fit to lead your school and your life with joy by refining your most powerful tool, your mind. Here’s your host certified life coach Angela Kelly.

Angela: Well, hello my empowered principals and happy Tuesday. Welcome to the podcast. And hey, if you’re new, a shout out to you and if you are a first-year principal, if you’ve just got hired and you’re binging on the podcast and you’re trying to learn all of the things, welcome to the world of the Empowered Principal. We are so happy you are here.

Just remember, I have all of the essential leadership things lined up for you. So be sure to reach out. Just a shameless plug here, but I want to make sure that you feel supported as you’re entering into the new position. So, I know it’s the middle of May, you’re winding down your current position into your new position. And I just want to let you know there is support available. There are resources for you. You don’t have to go into that first year all alone. So just be sure to check that out.

Now, I have an amazing guest. We have just met, and I’ll tell you guys, when I have people on this podcast, I do a pretty thorough screening. I send a list of criteria and I am very adamant about protecting this podcast. I do not want it to be a stream of solicitations of other people’s products or services. I want them to come on with the intention of serving the community and to provide you with something that you can walk away with. So, I’m pretty stringent about it.

And for every person who’s on my podcast, if I do not know them personally, I do a meet and greet beforehand. I meet them personally. I get to know who they are, what they’re like, their energy, their vibe to see if they’re a match for the content of this podcast. And I have to tell you, Steven Puri, who is our guest on today’s show, is not my typical podcast interview. But when I saw his email, there was something about the email that caught my attention, and that was a personal connection.

So, Steven and I both lived in the Mountain View, California area. I served in the Mountain View area as a teacher, principal, district administrator. Steven worked in the industry. I have actually been to the company that he worked at for so many years. I used to take my kinders on tours there because I had parents who worked at the company. And now we connected and he has so much insight to share with you guys. I couldn’t resist having him on the podcast. So, that was a long introduction, Steven. All of that to say, welcome, welcome to the Empowered Principal podcast.

Steven: Angela, I really appreciate you having me on. I hope as you said in a recent episode, I can be an A-plus guest. And for everyone listening, I hope that some of the things I have to share from my journey are helpful in terms of feeling your own empowerment, mastering your time, finding your focus. This is where I’ve spent a lot of my time.

And to give you a little context, I spent about twenty years as a senior executive at several studios. As Angela mentioned, as a senior executive vice president, DreamWorks for Kurtzman Orci, as a vice president at 20th Century Fox. Saw a lot of movies there, and then when I moved back into tech, I saw that there was a lot of overlays about the kind of management techniques, both for managing yourself as managing others, that were really helpful. And that’s what I’ve been talking a lot about the past five, ten years. So I’m really happy to be here and I hope this is both engaging and maybe has some cool prescriptive advice.

Angela: Yes. One of the things I love about Steven is his engagement strategies, talking about education, but just human-to-human contact, his engagement strategies. And our conversation at our meet and greet flowed so beautifully. I felt that connection and those are the kind of people I bring on because it’s really about the energy and the intention behind the words that we’re sharing with you today. And so, we’re probably going to dive into a couple of different topics here and there, but really the context of this is it starts out with storytelling and connection and your ability to work and flow with people. That’s kind of where our conversation led. So, Steven, I’m going to just turn the mic over to you and I’m going to let you tell the stories that you shared with me on the meet and greet and we will put them in the context of our school leaders out there who are wrapping up the year. I know we talked a little bit about the energy behind the end of the school year and managing all of that stress, trying to do many big things at one time, managing the time, managing your energy. So let’s just dive into your story and tell the listeners a little bit more about who you are and the context of why you’re here today.

Steven: That is so generous of you. Okay. I will give you some of my story, and by you I mean everyone listening, so that you have a spine on which you can hang the lessons we’re going to talk about. So you’re like, “Oh, I understand the context of why Steven learned that and how it’s applicable.”

So, my story is, if it were made into a movie, it would probably be something of a dramatic comedy in that I think a lot of things have fallen in my lap and I’ve been very lucky, and then I’ve worked really hard to make something of the things that fell in my lap. I cannot tell you that my grand design at fifteen was to be on Angela Kelly’s podcast years later talking about remote work, but it’s led here. And I’m going to tell you how.

So my mom was a high school science teacher in the Bronx. Hard area, this was a long time ago, and she definitely had that vibe of like, you need to learn, you need to respect education, you need to do this from a very underfunded point of view. My parents both grew up extremely poor and my mom worked while she was a high school science teacher on the side. I guess what you’d call it now is like a side hustle. But she built up an engineering education where she eventually became a software programmer at IBM, which is where she met my dad, who was a hardware engineer. So my mom was programming System/360 computers. My dad was designing chips for them.

So when I was little, of course, mom taught me how to code. I mean she’s a teacher. She loves passing along knowledge, right? Which is what I’m very excited about. As you know, I’m having a son this year. Super excited to probably teach him more stuff than he cares to learn, but you know what, you’re trapped, right? So let’s talk about stuff.

So, so that was my early years was doing software, learning about this, becoming a little code monkey, a little hacker. I got a scholarship to go to USC. USC was very generous and I was also a Thomas J. Watson scholar from IBM. So, they essentially paid me to come to Los Angeles, which I grew up in Northern Virginia, very different world from that. This fell in my lap where USC came when I was still a junior in high school and said, “Do you want to come to college early? You know, we think you’d do well here.”

I went there and this is another one of those lucky coincidences. So while I’m there, of course, a lot of USC has a fantastic cinema TV school. A lot of people in my dorm and in my life were aspiring filmmakers, you know, writer directors, you know, wanting to be the next Lucas or Spielberg because they had gone to school there, right?

And this was the moment when film went digital. And I happened to be at the intersection of that Venn diagram of I could speak to an engineer and I could also speak to a filmmaker. And by sitting right there at that intersection, my career took off when I was like a junior, senior in college. Suddenly I started working in film. It was an amazing period of time. And you know, everyone aspires to make great movies and work on great projects. I got very lucky is that I produced the digital effects for Independence Day and we won the Academy Award for the visual effects on that movie.

And a rising tide lifts all boats as we know. Yes. We set up a company with the director and producer of Independence Day because we got along really well. We were like, “Oh, we’re going to keep making big movies like this.” Sold that company four years later to a German conglomerate called Das Werk, after doing a bunch of movies through there. So I got to work with Woody Allen and Jim Jarmusch, who are not typically known as effects filmmakers, as well as worked with Cameron and Fincher and Spielberg and a bunch of the big name, you know, a bunch of guys.

So, I did that for a few years through my twenties, sold this and foolishly thought, “Oh, this is easy, like building companies is so easy.” Yeah, later in life we learn not so easy, right? So, this next turn was I had, in doing this, met a lot of people who were in film, not doing computer generated film, but actually producing films and working at the studio. I thought, “That seems really cool.” So that was kind of my thirties was I want to go be a studio executive, which is how I ended up as you know, senior executive at a couple studios. Again, kind of fell in my lap, but I worked really hard with those opportunities that came.

And I think there’s probably from my both my parents who worked very hard and earned their degrees, there was a celebration of learning. It was like one of the greatest things you can do with your life is just have a beginner’s mind. Just continually ask why and how and why and how, you know? And I can’t wait, you know, for my child and hopefully my children have that same sense of curiosity about the world.

So, I did this, worked on a bunch of movies, Transformers, Star Trek, you know, Die Hard, Wolverine, and I have to admit, there’s a moment on Die Hard where I was like, “This is a terrible script. I’m the senior executive running this franchise.” And I know that the momentum behind this project because Bruce wanted, he had a spring slot to shoot. And when you’re working with stars, they have very rigid schedules. It’s like, “I have April and May to do this and then I have to be in Romania to shoot the sequel to, you know, whatever it is.”

So, he had a slot and it was like my boss, the chairman of Fox Film Entertainment was very clear, “We’re going to shoot this in the spring.” Like, I don’t care if it’s written in crayon on, you know, on like napkins. You will shoot this because we know how much money we’ll make. We can do the projections, we’ll release at Christmas, it’ll make some amount of money, right?

I’m thinking, “I’m going to wake up, be like forty, fifty years old, be like, I’m cranking out Die Hard movies.” You know, like, and what will my children think of me? Hey, Daddy’s got to go to work today making Die Hard 9 in the retirement home because it pays your college, right?

I decided to get out of film, which a lot of my friends were like, “You’re insane.” There are maybe thirty executives in the world that had my job, that senior executive at a studio because it’s a very rare job to have. And I got back into tech. And that was when, as I mentioned before, I had this moment of, “Wow, there is a lot about how work works in film that is not translated to other industries and I can mind some of those lessons and share them in these other industries.” And that became very much a point of my career the past five, ten years of just saying like, “Okay, here are things that I’ve learned.” And the fun thing is when you can illustrate them with like, “Here’s a great anecdote about how Transformers got made or how Star Trek got made or how this,” you know, it’s more memorable for people. So, maybe it just it sits differently and people remember this like, “Oh, that’s a great productivity technique that the writers on so and so used. Oh, I should try that,” right? So, that’s kind of the spine of my story.

Angela: Nice. Oh, well, first of all, I think everyone can relate to film because most of us in the world watch movies. Second of all, I’m personally attached because for those of you who don’t know, my son is a screenwriter. He went to Chapman University. He studied screenwriting, but he really loves working on set. He is an assistant camera. He’s worked in LA, he’s worked on many shoots, he’s traveled for his work and now he’s in Nashville and he’s getting into the network out here. And he loves the art of film.

And so, Steven’s story connected with me personally as a mother, but also I started thinking about how leadership is leadership and it crosses over in every industry. And sometimes in education, we feel like it’s very different in the field of education than in other industries. And then when I hear stories and I speak to other leaders who have actually been in the shoes of leadership in other industries, there really are so many similarities and things that we can learn from one another in different industries. And I think it’s wonderful to consider and be curious, like you said, to bring in perspectives outside of education because we want to expand and evolve our capacity to lead within our field without being stuck in the bubble of how we’ve always done things.

Steven: Angela, I so appreciate you saying that. And to anyone who is listening who is like, “What is this Hollywood tech guy have that’s applicable to teaching and you know, being an administrator in education?” I would love to acknowledge that there’s a bit of that when you and I were talking, I was like, “I’d like to figure out if this is applicable, if this is something that would actually help your audience.” And you and I got to a place of like, “Oh, this is going to be a great episode. Let’s do that.” I hope this is a great episode.

And I’ll mention that there are some things that I have seen either through my mother’s life or friends who are who are teachers, mainly in LAUSD, that I have listened to their problems and said, “Oh, it’s so interesting how you don’t see this as similar, but I see it as an outsider, outside the bubble as being very similar to other problems in other industries,” which really mimics my journey, which is a lot of the solutions that I offer are ones because they represent solutions to problems I have. And I’m not unique.

And I just want to say, there’s that great new mode about, you know, if I’ve seen further it’s because I’ve stood on the shoulders of giants. A lot of what I’m going to share is from reading the books by all the smart people who have been like, “I’ve thought on this deeply for my entire life and here’s what it is.” And if you do read like those top twelve books on focus, on meditation, if you read Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, if you read Clear and Cal Newport and, you know, I’ve actually got to meet Cal, like you start to see, you know what, there are maybe five to seven common themes here. They all have their own lexicon. They do need to sell you their book for $24.95, so it has to be different than everyone else’s book, right? With their own McKinsey studies, you know, and like this case study of this weird, you know, serial company in Oklahoma and how they did things. So they all have those specifics. But in general, there’s some very common things. I’d love to share some of those. So maybe this is an opportunity for us to dive in.

Angela: Yeah, let’s go.

Steven: Okay. So, let me begin with this, which is I know that when you are an administrator or you are an actual teacher, like frontline, that there’s a lot of your energy, your brain energy, your spirit, your time that goes into other people. You are there to nurture a next generation of people, whether you are there administrating them or they are actually talking directly to the students.

And there is also a bunch of time where you need to do things that move your life forward, whether that is, “I need to go offline now. I’m not interacting one on one or one on thirty with other people, but I need to do the deep work that moves things forward here.” And let’s talk about some of the ways in which that can be either easier or I think you mentioned another episode like how to find the joy in some of that.

And there is number one, a problem that I hear from a lot of people, which is a cold start problem. I have it. I did a bunch of reading on solving it. And I, as you know, run a community of thousands of focused, you know, productive people. And when I talk to them, because I love learning, this is the number one thing they bring up in their own language. They always say it’s this thing about like sometimes just the inertia of getting going. Either I’ve had a day already and I’m going to guess that, you know, there’s the, “I need to grade papers or I need to review work or it’s I need to do administrative work.”

I’ve already had a day. I’m exhausted. How am I going to do this? And by the way, this could sprawl until dinner time. And no one wants to have that feeling of like, “Oh, I’m tired. I’ll just get up early tomorrow and try and like finish the stuff I just couldn’t get through today,” right? You want to have the feeling of, “Oh, I’m done. Feel great. Let me go do something.”

When you really dig down the cold start problem and you do the why and the why, very often what you come to is the problem is about overwhelm. And it’s overwhelm because there are too many things that you think you’re going to do and it’s not possible. And your brain then shuts down and you do fewer. There is research that if you say, “I’m going to do three things,” you may do three things. If you say, “I’m going to do seven things,” you may actually do two. Because it just seems insurmountable, right? I can climb that hill but that mountain, I’m never going to make it and you don’t go as far, right?

Yes. So, there is that issue. Part of the solution to that is limit yourself to what you’re going to do so that you have successes. So if it’s like, “I’m going to make this up, I’m going to grade four thousand essays tonight.” No, you’re actually not, you know? But if you say, “I’m going to grade thirty or something,” right? That is achievable and you can get there. And then suddenly you listen to an investor, right? So that’s one thing.

The other kind of overwhelm, and this maybe applies sometimes to people’s like side hustles. I don’t know if part of your community is also working on another thing. Yes, they are. It is that when you have a task that seems so large, you don’t know how to approach it. That stops you from doing anything. It’s almost like a paralysis. And for example, we have a lot of writers and engineers who work in our platform. And it is interesting how some of them will make a task that’s like, “Write my book.” You know, and you’re like, “You’re never going to achieve that in the next two or three hours,” right? Right.

So, I mean this is why we built a smart assistant that helps you break down tasks. So it might say, “You know what, instead of write your book, which seems big, what if we were to say outline chapter one?” And could we do that in thirty minutes? And then suddenly you’re like, “You know what, when I was driving yesterday, I did have that idea for chapter. You know what, I could jot that down in thirty minutes.” Great. You’re going to have a win today, right? And in doing that, in chipping away at it, you start to have little successes.

I’ll mention this, there is a vice principal at a high school in Missouri that has been using our platform for two years, named Roy King. Super nice dude. And every night and weekend, I’ve seen him in our platform because we have like a virtual co-working space where he’s been working on the side on his engineering PhD. Wow. He defended his dissertation last Monday. It’s so great. In our group chat was like, “Hey guys, you know, guess what? Tomorrow is the big.” And people all over the world were like, “Congratulations, Roy. We’ve been excited for this day for you. You know, good luck. You got this one,” right? 

People who don’t know him. And that feeling of support and seeing that he could chip away at this and complete his side hustle. The next day when he said, “Hey, you can now call me Dr. King,” is a pretty great moment to see you can do those things. But he was very methodical about, “Tonight, I’m only going to get through these three things and I’m not going to look at a list of seventeen where I just feel paralysis of like, I’m never going to do that.” And then you procrastinate. When you feel you can’t do something, that’s when you put the laundry in, that’s when you clean the dishes, that’s when you scroll. So that’s one of the things. Like false productivity. Exactly right. So let us begin there.

Angela: Yes. Exactly. And so for the listeners, this to me resonates with the concept that I teach called the overwhelm cycle and the forever long to-do list that just basically transfers from day to day. So you write the list of all the things you have to do and it just stares at you and you kind of pick the easy things or the things that are super fast and then the non-urgent important things sit there on the list from day to day and then you have to cram, right? So, it sounds like we’re talking a little bit about there’s always too much to do in educational leadership and there never feels like enough time. So we have to knowing that, if that’s just a fact of the work, then we have to come up with some strategies and that’s what Steven’s here to share with us today is are some strategies for you to really break down the work in this field, which is there is too much to do and not enough time. So how do you break it down so that your brain drops its resistance to getting started and then to complete a bigger task, right?

Steven: Yes. And can we move on to another principle of monotasking? And this is something that there has been in the course of our lifetime, a lot of talk around multitasking and like, “Oh, I’m so good at juggling.” And the most recent research really shows that we don’t multitask. The thing that we call multitasking is monotasking with context switching in between. Yeah. And it’s almost like if you think in computer terms, it’s like I’m running this program. Oh, I want to switch to that program. Let me take what I’m doing, store it in RAM, find the other context, bring that back from RAM so I can work on it and then work on the new thing. And that process of storing and retrieving, that context switching actually burns brain energy.

So what they’ve found is that you can pretend that you multitask, but in reality, you’re context switching and using energy that could be used to get something done if you monotasked on simply switching tasks. So, I’ll make this one super short, but that is one of the things that I’ve personally seen with a lot of writers is that and we’ll talk about sort of the balance of creativity. I’ve seen works. I’ve been lucky to work with a lot of the top writers in Hollywood. But with monotasking, there is that moment where a writer says, “Okay, this is the thing I need to do and needs to block everything out.” And that’s when you do get the, “Hey, I came out of my cave and here is the script.” And then Brad Pitt wants to be in it because it has that kind of focus to it.

Angela: Yes, I agree with you. And so again, when you have the to-do list and there’s teacher observations and there’s discipline situations that you need to deal with and you need to investigate, and then you’ve got to make these phone calls and you’ve got to check these emails. When you are doing a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a little bit of this and a little bit of that, your brain thinks it’s being productive, but at the end of the day, that’s the day you look back and say, “What did I get done today? What just happened with this day?” And it’s because you’re a little playing, I call it whack-a-mole. You’re playing whack-a-mole all day long versus blocks of time. I call it batching blocks of time.

So, principals out there, particularly new principals, I know you’re listening because you’re you’ve just got hired or you’re getting hired and you’re transitioning over. You do have the skill sets as a teacher, but it’ll feel like you don’t have them when you go into the administrative role because the expansion of the role and the expansion of responsibilities and demands on you. So you’re going to be in the overwhelm cycle. So, taking these tasks, breaking them down into small segments as Steven was saying, and then also batching them or you said monofocusing. Is that the way you were Monotasking. Monotasking. Yes, I love that word. That’d be a new vocabulary word for me. Monotasking where you are focusing on just one thing and allowing your brain. And would you say, Steven, and you can help me with this. Would you say that when you monotask, your brain can actually go deeper into that task?

Steven: This is a fantastic segue into flow states.

Angela: Okay, perfect.

Steven: Let’s do that. Some of you out there are nodding your head, “Flow state, got it.” And other people are like, “I maybe I’ve heard that. What exactly is that?” So, let me do thirty seconds on what it is and then we’ll talk about some of the conditions precedent, some of the techniques that help you get that. Great. Flow state, to be very succinct, is that concentrated state when you look up, hour or two hours have gone by, you’re like, “Wow, I got everything done. I didn’t fidget. I didn’t check my email. I didn’t go to the bathroom. I didn’t go get water and you know, go check the fridge.” And you just were incredibly productive and focused and maybe did your best work.

If you’re a sports fan, you’ve heard that famous quote of Michael Jordan about, “When I’m in the zone, it’s me and the ball.” He’s like, “Everything else falls away. I don’t see the scoreboard. I don’t see the defenders. I don’t see the stands. It’s just me and the ball.” Picasso had that great quote about, “I was up all night. I didn’t go to the bathroom and I forgot to eat, but here’s Guernica. Do you like it?” you know.

So Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi wrote a book and he named this book Flow because he said, “I’ve studied these people who get into this state where it’s just they’re hyper productive, they’re high performers, and I wanted to distill the knowledge about that into a form where people could use it.” And he said, “They often describe it in a way where it almost feels like you get into a state where you’re not just moving forward, but you’re moving forward like a river is carrying you.” And he said, “We’re going to call it flow,” right? And that’s what we call it flow state.

So, I personally first had that on an airplane where the Wi-Fi was broken. There was no incoming Slack message, text, WhatsApp, you know, email to check. And I had to like do some designs and I looked up. I was like, “We’re landing? We just took off. Like what? How are we in, you know, San Francisco now?” right? And it was magical. I was like, “Oh wow. How my career would move forward if I could find a way to do this?” Which of course, necessity is the mother of invention. We all look for the things that help us.

So I offer this thought about flow states, which is now that there’s a ton of research on how to get into these states. And by the way, Cal Newport, fantastic writing around this, you know, the deep work movement. There are some things that seem to help. Number one, you have to believe what you’re doing is meaningful. Like if you think you’re just raking the lawn, it’s not that thing, right? So you have to believe there’s some meaning in what you do. You also have to have skills that apply. So if it were Picasso playing basketball, not going to get into a flow state. You know, Michael Jordan painting, not going to, unless I know something I don’t know, right? But not going to get him into flow state, right? And it has to be at a challenging level where you’re not outmatched, but it is something where you have to pay attention, you get into it and you start to feel good about, “Oh, I’m good at this. This is real,” right?

Music, there’s a lot of research now that music often helps. And for example, I know a lot of film composers and they have a lot of time on their hands right now. So we have like a thousand hours of original music in my platform that is all designed around the scientific best practices, which seem to be about sixty to ninety beats per minute, certain key signatures, non-vocal, you know, screaming lyrics at you, you know, rhythmic, and some people really dig binaural beats, you know, which is when there is a delta in the frequency between your left and right channels. So you need headphones for that. We offer binaural beats too if you’re into that sort of thing.

And with this, and there are some wonderful YouTube channels. There’s Brain FM, there’s Endel, there are a lot of people who are… There are a lot of apps, you know, that provide fantastic music if you like that. So there are a number of these things that provide the conditions precedent to make flow states more available to you. And then once you drop in, it’s like a muscle, you start to develop that. I’m going to use this as a segue into a question, which is I believe that probably a lot of the audience listening, when they’re working on things that are not classroom oriented, they may be doing that at home. Am I correct about that?

Angela: Yes, they’re working at home about as much as they’re working at work.

Steven: Right. So let’s talk about that for a moment because there are some really bad practices about working at home that can be corrected and you’ll start to see the benefits. I say this because I not only studied it, but I observed it in myself and made this correction in my behavior, which is when I first started running tech companies from home, right? We were entirely remote and I was like, “Oh my god, this is so great. I can hire talent globally. I don’t have to just hire people who live twenty miles from the office. Oh, you know, we don’t have commute times. Everyone can work and you know, do…”

All these things are true. But I made a huge mistake, which is in my home environment, I started working from the sofa. I was like, “Oh, you know what, this afternoon I’ll be here. It’s great. Oh, you know, I made breakfast. I’ll just sit here at the kitchen table, work a little bit.” And one of the things I saw, and I’m going to illustrate this actually with a Hollywood story, which is that the brain does associate spaces and light with certain kinds of work.

Now, I’m going to give you two quick examples. One is when Roland and Dean, whom I mentioned we did Independence Day and Godzilla and Stargate and, right? When they wrote, they would always rent this villa down in Puerto Vallarta, this beautiful villa. And they said like, “The light in the morning, the way it comes in across the pool and you know, they.” Don Devlin, Dean’s father was like Jack Nicholson’s producer. So Dean was accustomed to like a certain kind of lifestyle. And Roland Emmerich, his family is basically the John Deere of Germany, like a huge industrial family, right? So they rented this beautiful villa down and this is where they wrote their screenplays as their career was going up and up from little movies like Moon 44 and Universal Soldier to Stargate to, right?

So on a Friday, Roland told his assistant, “Okay, go rent the villa for us. We need to go write the next script. Like we have a deal lined up at Fox.” She came back and she’s like, “It’s rented already.” Oh no. And it was like a hue and cry around the office. It was like, “What are we going to do?” So Roland, being Roland, spoke to his attorney, John Diemer, who’s a fantastic entertainment attorney and was like, “John, you must buy the house.” By Monday, John had purchased the villa. I don’t know where the current renters went. God bless. I’m sure they found another place. But Monday, Roland and Dean were there because they had associated so much the space and the light with creativity. And that is where they went and wrote Independence Day and Godzilla and a bunch of stuff, right? Wow.

Now I’ll tell you this, it doesn’t have to be, “Oh, we need a villain Puerto Vallarta.” When I was working with Alex Kurtzman and Bob Orci, who are amazing, wonderful guys. Bob sadly just recently died about three weeks ago. Sorry to hear that. But while I was working with them, their meeting was really like that college, we’re in dorm rooms, we’re scrappy, young, right, we’re going to be somebody someday. This is before they did Alias and Mission Impossible 3 and like Zorro, like all the things that launched them to be, you know, the Transformers guys.

So when they had to write, and I mean when they were getting $1.5 million per screenplay. This is established top twelve writers in Hollywood. They would still have their assistant book them a room at the Universal Hilton, which I whisper to say is not the Beverly Hills Hotel. This is not the Ritz Carlton, this is not the Four Seasons. This is the Beverly Hilton. And it was super, let us say, austere to be diplomatic, okay? Yes. But it evoked in them that creativity of we’re young guys in college and we’re scrappy, we’re going to. We’re hungry, yes. Exactly.

And that is where they wrote these multi-million-dollar screenplays in that little room at the Universal Hilton. I’m not talking a suite. I’m talking a room, all right? Yeah. So that is something that I offer like a mental hack is if you start to say, “You know what, this is the space in my home for doing this thing,” your brain, as soon as you enter it, starts to be trained to say, “Oh, I’m here right now to grade papers or work on my side hustle or whatever it is.” And don’t let that blur throughout your home. Don’t take your laptop into your bedroom and then say, “Well, this is where I’m also going to do the other thing.” You’re missing out on a really good hack.

Angela: That was a beautiful story because I coach, my business took off during COVID because we were pivoting and we were going remote and nobody knew what we were doing. We were all coaching together on this and it was trial by error, learn by doing, just in the, you know, walking through the fire together. And what’s interesting is post pandemic, we still rely on remote days. We didn’t used to. I mean, most schools that I know of didn’t have remote days prior to COVID. It was you were in school or you were not in school. And now we can have hybrid days where or we can have remote days. Like if there’s inclement weather, we can still hold school remotely.

They have these kinds of options now and the people that I am working with will say like it feels like those days are kind of a wasted day or less productive. But based on what you’re saying, if we can get set up as such, at least for the teachers and the administrators to define some space, create the type of lighting that works for you, whether that’s a little, you know, a little dark and a little focused or it’s like bright and sunny and cheery, whatever works for you, but maintaining consistent space and a consistent kind of environment to keep you focused.

One of the things I learned, we had so many people in our house during COVID that you had to kind of use a bedroom, but sitting in bed working, like when you first got up, it felt good in the morning like, “Oh, I’m just going to lay here and work away.” And then I realized, “No, that’s not good.” Or like working. Now, principals, I know what you do. You come home, you eat dinner, you play with your kids, you put them to bed, and then you get on your laptops. And you might be getting on your laptop on the couch or you’re getting on your laptop in your bed. Anybody guilty as charged? 

Steven: Can I raise both hands? 

Angela: Yeah. It’s so hard to go to sleep when your bed is your office and it’s supposed to be your place of serenity and peace and quiet and shutting down the brain when you’re firing it up right before the time you’re asking it to shut down and turn off, right?

Steven: Can I say something a little bit woo, a little bit like out there? I’m just going to tell you. So with my own company, the Sukha company that I run, which is this focus community, one of the things I noticed is when I was doing the thing of spreading out through the house and be like, “Oh, I made breakfast, I’m going to work at the kitchen table,” which was a thing, right? Yeah. “Oh, it’s late in the afternoon. Well, I’ve worked on the sofa before, I’ll work on the sofa now. It looks so comfy,” right? My company was doing okay, not great, to be super honest.

And when I was talking to Laura, my wife, who’s pregnant right now, and I said, “You know what, I’m going to actually make a dedicated effort to set up my workstation upstairs in one of the empty bedrooms and that’s going to be a place to work. So when I’m downstairs, I’m totally available to you. I’m never going to be like, ‘Oh, I’m on a Zoom.’ If you see me outside of that room, I am in non-work mode. But if you see me in my office, I’m going to be really focused on that.” Can I tell you, since I made that decision in January, my company has turned around. Like it is growing. And I’m not going to say it’s because I’m brilliant. I think there’s something about just the energy does it kind of gets concentrated and you start to exude and attract things to you by saying like, “No, this is my space for killing it.” And I want to work X number of hours but get this amount done.

I’ll tell you one story. When in the early days of my company, I was looking for a name. And let me be honest, I had every bad name in my head. I was like, “We should call it Focus app or productivity mate or something terrible.” And I was just like, “I hate all these. I hate them all,” right? It was around the time Laura and I were getting married, right? So, we go off on our honeymoon, very grateful. We got to go to Bali. Like yoga, you know, Laura and I met in yoga. Okay, beautiful. We have a daily yoga practice for ten years, right? So it’s a big part of our life. It’s very like meditative but physical thing. Yes.

So, we go off to Bali. And running a small business that I have and being part of, you know, any sort of organization, you’re continually badgered with questions. Some are big, some are like, “Can we order the staplers?” you know. But all day long, it’s like this barrage of things. And I knew for the next ten days, no one would bug me. Yes. It’d be really quiet, right? So I’m like, “This is the perfect time to let my unconscious mind bubble up.” And we’ll pick up on that moment about sometimes you do need to be creative. It’s not just grading papers. Sometimes there are, you know, let me create the next thing. I’m going to talk about that in a moment. 

Angela: Designing content, right? 

Steven: Exactly. So, I told Laura as we’re flying over there, I was like, “Listen, I know we’re going to, you know, do some yoga and eat some food and sit by the pool.” I’m like, “Do you mind if I sort of feed the back of my mind on the first day so that maybe over the course of the next ten days, something bubbles up and it becomes interesting,” right? And I said, “I kind of want to reach out to a couple of our power members in these early days and ask them like, ‘What do you like about what we do? Maybe you can give me an outside the bubble perspective that I can’t see because I’m inside the bubble.'”

Laura, being Laura, was just like, “Absolutely, I’m going to the pool. Like enjoy. Talk to a couple of people. I’ll see you down at the pool when you’re done,” right? So I had a couple of conversations that day. And the third one, I was talking to a guy. And I promised everyone, “It’s just ten minutes. Would you just talk to me for ten minutes? I just want to hear your thoughts,” right? So about eight minutes in, I had asked all the dumb questions and I was like in the wrap up. I’m like, “You know, Angela, thank you so much for chatting with me. I really appreciate you taking the time.” And he stopped me. He said, “Steven, you didn’t ask me the right question.” And I was like, “Oh, okay.” You got my attention. Right. “What was the right question?” He said, “You should ask me why do I pay you?”

And we only charge $10 a month. It’s like thirty cents a day or something. So it’s like, it didn’t seem like a big deal. But I was like, “Okay, I probably wouldn’t have said something so bold, but I’m super curious. Like, why do you pay me?” He said, “At 3:00, I can be playing with my kids or at 6:00, I can say where did the day go?” He said, “The difference is, did I open Sukha in the morning and have a focused experience?” He’s like, “That’s why I pay you. My kids are two and four and I want to see them grow up.”

And I was like, “That is more articulate and insightful than any stupid thought I’d had over the past couple of months. Thank you.” Told this to Laura. I was like, “Oh my god, I talked to this guy. It was so cool. He said this thing. What do you think?” She loved it. So we’re brushing our teeth that night going to bed and Laura says to me, “You know what that is? What that guy told you is you actually are trying to help people live a happy life. And the tools that you built, you know, the music we talked about, the timers, the smart assistant, these are just the path. This is just productivity is the path to that.” And that is why she said, “You know, Sukha, it’s that word we hear in yoga a lot about happiness, self-fulfilled happiness when you’re doing the thing you’re meant to do and you’re good at it.” And she’s like, “I think that’s kind of what you’re doing.” And that’s why I called it the Happiness Company, the Sukha company.

As this relates to creativity, which I know we bookmarked in the middle of that. So something I learned along the way about creativity was this. And this is when I was like twenty years old, wet behind the ears, and I was working at an ad agency that did trailers for movies, mainly for Warner Brothers and Buena Vista, which is basically Disney. So, two guys own the company. Awesome guys. Still good friends with one of them. One of one of them has died at this point sadly. But Jeff, who is one of the two owners, came into my office and my job at this point was to get the movies in and assign them to writer producers. “Hey Angela, we got in this movie from Warner Brothers. It’s a rom-com. Right, you know, watch this and write a trailer for it,” right?

So, he comes to my office, he goes, “Hey, do you know Bart?” And I was like, “Bart, the guy in the vault who delivers the tapes around Hollywood?” He goes, “Yeah. Have you ever given him a movie to write a trailer?” I was like, “Bart, the guy who drives his around Hollywood.” I actually, Jeff, I actually haven’t. And he always called me Stevie. He’s like, “Stevie, I think you should give him a movie.” And I was like, “Okay, you’re the boss and you’ve been doing this for twenty years and you have this huge reputation. I’m totally going to trust your instincts. You got it. Done. Do this.”

Two days later, Jeff comes to my office, “How’s Bart doing?” I’m like, “Jeff, I gave him the movie two days ago. He’s never written a trailer before. I’m not going to stress him out and ask him every day, ‘How you doing? How you doing?'” He’s like, “What else did you give him?” “Jeff, he’s never written a movie before. I gave him one movie. I gave him some Warner Brothers B title that had like a month deadline. So if he bombs out, we can give it to one of the pros and they’ll bang it out in a week.” 

He’s like, “Stevie, let me teach you something about creativity.” He said, “It’s always about the other thing. If you give Bart one thing to work on creatively, he’s going to stare at that with little beads of sweat coming down his temples and he’s going to come up with the worst ideas you’ve ever heard.” He said, “You have to give him another thing because the part of your brain that comes up with the, ‘Oh, chocolate and peanut butter,’ is not the part that you’re staring at. You have to stare at something so the back of your brain that does that creative thing can play freely.” He’s like, “Have you ever noticed you have great ideas when you’re driving, when you’re showering, when you’re doing the dishes?” He’s like, “Because it’s the part of your mind has the other thing to look at.” And the other part that’s important goes, “Ah, chocolate and peanut butter.”

And this may apply because I know there’s a lot of creation involved in, you know, in education is always think about how you’re balancing your brain so that you have that part of your brain free while another part of your brain is occupied with the other thing, as Jeff would call it. And I’m going to tell you this, in twenty years of film, I saw that proven over and over and over with the best writers, the best directors. They’re always juggling two or more things and when they’re on this one thing and something they go, “Oh, I just had an idea on the F1 project today.” Happens all the time, every day.

Angela: That’s so cool. And the beautiful thing about school leadership is that there’s always multiple things to be thinking about. So when you have a big project or you’re trying to creatively solve a problem, this is what happens a lot of times. Like, I have to make a decision or I need to solve a problem and I can’t figure it out. So what I think I hear you saying is go chew on something else. You know, go focus on something else even if you’re just getting up out of your office and going into the lunchroom or going out onto the recess or going into classrooms or even taking a walk on campus and just saying hello to people or doing another like maybe lesser intense project to open up, like you said, the mind to be creative because it’s still thinking about the problem or the solution or the decision, right? It’s still processing.

Steven: Anyone who wants to dig deeper into the neuroscience of this, there is a great book by Olivia Fox Cabane that’s called The Net and the Butterfly, like catching those ideas. Nice. And it talks about when we’re little, we have this like default mode network that’s the one that’s just like, “Huh, you know, interesting, piece of paper. What does it taste like?” right? And it’s like doing that weird stuff. Yeah. And then as you mature, you have that executive mode network of like, “I must get my homework done by 6 because I want to do the thing and I have to go to practice.”

As you become older, the executive mode network runs the house. Yes. And it’s only when the executive mode network is busy with something. “I have to go drive, I have to go shower, I have to do.” The default mode network goes back into that like, “Oh, let’s, you know, like the parents aren’t watching. Let’s try crazy ideas.” And it’s a fantastic book that digs deeper than we’re going to go in this podcast. So if someone’s interested in that, pick up that book. It’s fantastic.

Angela: You know what? We, can you say the name of that book again, please?

Steven: Oh, sure, it’s good. The Net and the Butterfly.

Angela: Okay. We will put that link in the show notes just for somebody interested and you want to know the title, we’ll put it in the show notes so that you can resource. And actually, we’ve talked about a lot of books. I’ll try and capture the titles of those books so that you can check them out if you so desire to do that on whatever platform tickles your fancy. So, Steven, this has been, first of all, so energizing. It’s so fun. So much fun. And if we had to like, you know, wrap things up and hit a home run here, if there’s one last precious gem that you would like to drop with our listeners, what might that be?

Steven: I will say this, which is if there is anyone that is intrigued about something I said or wants to pick up on it or has a question, my email address is really public. I try to reply to every email same day. It’s steven@theSukha.co, the Sukha company. I’m happy for someone to be like, “Hey, could you mention the name of that book again? Or what’s that Cal Newport blog you talked about?” Email me. I probably won’t send you a long lengthy email like it’s writing to my mom about college. I will answer your question and try to help because people helped me on the way up and now is my opportunity to give back.

Angela: Yeah, great, great. So good, so good. All right, my listeners, I hope you have found this delightful and helpful. Steven, it’s such a pleasure to have met you. I’m really honored that you reached out and I’m glad that you chose The Empowered Principal Podcast® because we’re out here. We are really in the business of people. 

Education is the business of developing humans, young and adult. And we’re out here to make a difference, but really to have some fun and to expand our capacity for joy, delight, fulfillment along the way. So we get a little up in here at the Empowered Principal program too, but it’s really about, you know, that balance of the external work that we do and the internal work that we do. So thank you for being a part of our experience and our world over here and I just wish you many blessings in your life. Congratulations on the new baby.

Steven: Angela, thank you so much for having me. This was awesome.

Angela: All right, you guys, have a great week. Thanks for being here and we’ll see you all next week. Take good care. Bye.

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Have you ever faced backlash from parents when announcing teacher changes or reassignments? This is a fascinating dynamic in education that doesn’t exist in most other industries – the intense attachment parents develop to specific teachers rather than to the educational experience itself.

In education, we’ve created an outdated expectation that teachers will remain in the same position year after year. Parents often plan their child’s educational journey around having specific teachers, becoming upset when those plans are disrupted by a teacher’s career advancement or personal choices. 

How do you deal with the unnecessary tension this teacher-attachment cycle creates between school leaders and families who feel entitled to specific teaching personnel? Tune in this week for a leadership approach that honors teachers as professionals with career aspirations while ensuring students receive high-quality education regardless of who stands at the front of the classroom.

 

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What You’ll Learn From this Episode:

  • How to recognize and address the outdated expectation that teachers should remain in the same position indefinitely.
  • Why parents become attached to specific teachers rather than the educational experience.
  • How to create a new narrative around staffing changes that empowers teachers and benefits students.
  • The importance of establishing a consistent “brand experience” in your school regardless of individual teachers.
  • How to help parents shift focus from specific teachers to the quality of educational experience.
  • Strategies for communicating staffing changes in ways that highlight the benefits for students and families.
  • Why teacher mobility and professional growth ultimately create stronger educational environments.

 

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Hello Empowered Principals. Welcome to episode 385. 

Welcome to The Empowered Principal® Podcast, a not so typical educational resource that will teach you how to gain control of your career and get emotionally fit to lead your school and your life with joy by refining your most powerful tool, your mind. Here’s your host certified life coach Angela Kelly.

Well, hello, my empowered principals. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the podcast. Hey, if you’re new around here, we are so excited you are here. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I absolutely love this podcast. I love having these conversations with you, and I want to invite you to contact me. 

I would love to ask you, what are the hardest things that you’re facing in school leadership? What’s a challenge you don’t feel you can solve? What is a problem that you are noodling on that you can’t see a solution? Or maybe it’s just a situation that feels unmanageable.

With all that’s going on in education, all of the conversations in education, perhaps it’s staffing, perhaps it’s the politics of education right now, perhaps it is a superintendent you’re working with or another boss, perhaps it’s your school board, perhaps it’s, it could be anything.

It could be a legal issue, it could be a specific student situation, a specific staff situation. There are situations that we face as a school leader that feel complicated and overwhelming and unmanageable, whether that is you’re physically not able to manage it, you’re mentally not able to handle it or manage it, or emotionally you don’t feel that you’re capable of handling it or managing it, or something feels so out of your control and you feel defeated or you feel helpless in your ability to navigate the situation.

If you have something like that, I invite you to come in to the free group, the Empowered Principal Facebook group, join in our Facebook group and ask me the questions. I want to know what your struggle is. I want to help you in any way that I can. I honestly believe with all of my heart and soul that coaching provides a solution, a path, a way to navigate anything that comes your way. I believe it with all my heart.

I don’t think coaching is the only answer on the planet, but I do believe it’s a powerful answer on the planet. Strategies, tools, perspective, the wisdom, the knowledge, the courage to step in and to question and to be open to different trains of thought or new perspectives or new identities, ways where the old version of you couldn’t imagine knowing how to handle something, but this newer version of you can imagine it being done, or you being able to navigate it in a way that feels good to you, that feels empowering for you.

So come on into the Facebook group, let us know. What is it that you don’t think you can handle? And let me give coaching a shot. Let’s see if I can throw something your way that will give you a tool, a strategy, a thought, an approach that can help you feel better about this situation or feel like you have some agency over your approach to handling the situation or coming up with a solution, okay?

Come on into the Facebook group. That’s primarily where we’re doing these conversations. There’s a free Facebook group, and then if you’re in EPC, there’s a private Facebook group for EPC members. And that is where we hold all of our resources, all of our replays. I do special trainings and I offer them in EPC. You have special access, kind of a, you know, a paid access to all of my tools, all of my past trainings, all of my future trainings, all of that. So, come on into the Facebook group.

Ask me your questions. Let me see if I can provide that support for you, just to show you and for you to experience the power of coaching. Coaching has transformed my life in such a way that is very difficult for me to articulate into words because the transformation has happened internally. It’s happened in who I am, how I perceive myself, what I believe about myself.

I have gone through things in my life that I did not think I would be able to handle. Things that felt so scary to me that I wanted to die. And emotions that I had to feel and process that actually felt like death. I felt like I was going to die. I wanted to. I felt like just take me out of this pain. I can’t handle it. But the truth was, I could handle it. And when I stopped telling myself, I can’t handle this, I can’t take this anymore, and I started to say, I can handle this, I can take this, I can handle this, I’m getting stronger, this is conditioning, I can do this, I can handle this. This won’t last forever. When I switched my story that I was telling myself, I realized the level of empowerment that was available to me.

And through my personal experiences, I honestly believe there is nothing that I cannot handle. Now, it doesn’t mean that there’s no pain. It doesn’t mean that I won’t make mistakes. It doesn’t mean I’m not going to fail. It doesn’t mean that I won’t feel negative emotion ever again or have another round of really hard times, so to speak. But it does mean that I am not going to be afraid to live my biggest life, to step into my empowerment, and to be the brightest, boldest version of myself and own who I am and not apologize for who I am, and show up in this capacity as the Empowered Principal supporting site and district leaders and state leaders. I’ve got some state leaders in here too.

However, I’m not going to dim my light because it, you know, it makes somebody else uncomfortable or because I’m afraid that I won’t be able to handle it, that I won’t be able to engage in disagreement or in discourse or conversation. Maybe somebody doesn’t believe in the Empowered Principle or the strategies and tools and the concepts that I teach. That’s okay. I’m open to hearing what it’s all about. So I invite you in. I invite you in to say, can I apply coaching to this? But what about this? Or I tried to apply your coaching. I listened to the podcast. I tried to apply this coaching, and it’s not working. What’s going on for me? How can I make this work? Come on into the Facebook group. I will help you.

I want you to experience the power of coaching for yourself. It’s one thing for somebody to say to you, “Hey, do you know how amazing it feels to have a baby and to have your own child?” And if you have your own children, you can say, “Yes, I do understand that experience. I’ve gone through it. I’ve experienced it myself. It’s amazing. It’s incredible. I love it. There’s no love like that. It’s just so unimaginable not to have had the experience.” But then if you were to say to somebody who maybe hasn’t had a child yet, and you were to say, “Do you know what it feels like? It’s like this and this and this.” And if you haven’t had the experience, it’s different in the way you relate to it. You can listen to somebody else’s experience.

Like, have you ever been on a roller coaster? If you’ve been on one, yes, you can say, “I’ve ridden a roller coaster. I’ve had that experience.” I haven’t ridden a roller coaster. I can watch other people. I can hear them screaming. I can see them laughing. I can hear, I can hear them, you know, either loving it or hating it or crying or being exhilarated. I can observe the experience. I can observe who they were before their first ride on the roller coaster and then after their first ride on a roller coaster. I can witness that, but it isn’t my internal experience because I haven’t had it yet.

And I want to offer to you that this Facebook group that I have, got about 2,500 of us principals in there, and we are discussing and sharing what it’s like to be in the experience of empowerment, to be in the identity of an Empowered Principal, to come up against a roadblock and not know how to solve it, but have the belief in yourself to be able to overcome it. So come on in. I would love, love, love to have you guys in there.

So shifting gears here a little bit, I’m going to jump into the today’s topic and talk about a coaching session I had. It brought it to my attention. It’s not something I had thought about before, and when my client brought it to me, I thought, “Whoa, I need to have this on the podcast because I do think this is an issue that without awareness, we don’t even realize we’re facing it, but once you see it, it’s hard to unsee.” Okay? So, my client was saying to me, “Oh, you know, we have several staffing changes coming up.” Lots of people are moving. There’s going to be a lot of staff changes, like reassignments or people leaving and coming and going and all of that.

And she said, “I’m a little nervous about how the families are going to respond.” And we got into a conversation about that. And I said, “Well, how do you think that they will respond?” And she said, “Well, they’re going to be upset.” I said, “Why?” And she said, “Well, because they want to have certain teachers. They’re expecting that certain teachers are going to be in this grade level when their child gets there because they want this teacher or they want that experience.” So, we have a lot of amazing teachers, and because there will be some adjustments, I think people will be upset.

And we just got into this very interesting conversation around this expectation. You know, if you go to, I don’t know, let’s think of a brand, like Nike. You go into a Nike store and you want to buy a pair of running shoes, and Nike is your brand and you love them and they fit your feet perfectly. You go into Nike, and you’ve been to Nike several times before and there was a favorite sales representative that you worked with in the store.

And let’s say this lady’s name was Jennifer. Okay, Jennifer. Jennifer was your favorite salesperson. You would go in and she would always hook you up with the perfect shoe and she would show you the latest and greatest and you always got the great pair of Nikes with her and you love her. She knows your feet, she knows your style. She’s got you.

And then you go into Nike, you’re going to get your new pair of shoes, and Jennifer’s not there. And you’re like, “Oh, where’s Jennifer?” Oh, Jennifer got promoted. Jennifer’s now working as a director or she’s a sales trainer or she’s a trainer of trainers or who knows? Jennifer went on and her career evolved. Okay? 

She moved or maybe she just moved towns. Maybe she went to the big city or maybe she went to a smaller town. Jennifer made a decision in her life and she made a career decision and a personal decision about her career and her experience. Jennifer loved you as a customer, as a client, and Jennifer made her own decision. Okay? That happens. We’re like, “Oh, we’re disappointed. Oh, bummed, we really miss her.” Okay. Meet the next person and we go on.

Or your hair stylist, right? You have a hair stylist you love, and they get a big promotion or they get called to go to New York City and style the celebrities or something, right? In other situations, or let’s say Target. You go into Target, and when you shop at Target, you have certain expectations. You expect to walk in and have an experience. You walk in and there’s going to be a little Starbucks and there’s going to be the registers and the people, and you’re expecting a certain experience, but you aren’t expecting that the exact person is going to serve you. But you are expecting a certain standard of service. Okay? I’ve been thinking about this.

In education, we don’t think about people being people, teachers being teachers, and them having career paths and them wanting to move up and to expand or maybe they take a break because they’re having a family. There’s an outdated expectation in many communities that revolves around this assumption that teachers who are assigned in a particular position this school year are going to be in that position next year. And teachers who have been in that position for several years, there is definitely an expectation that teacher will remain in that position for the unforeseeable future.

Understandably, I understand that parents have thoughts and opinions and feelings about staffing because it impacts them. It impacts their children and it’s their job as parents to protect and maintain the integrity of their children’s education. I understand that. 

However, if you’ve been a principal for one year, what you have probably noticed is that for some parents, the teacher that their child is assigned or the classroom that their child is assigned to can create a significant amount of angst, especially when they’re fixated on having a particular teacher or not having a particular teacher for the upcoming year. They get hyper focused on, I want this teacher for K and this teacher for first and second grade, and they have it picked out K through 12th grade by the time the child’s 5, okay?

So, we were talking about this and it’s interesting because I asked this principal that I was coaching. I said, “Have you had people backlash at you in the past?” You have a little nervous trauma coming up? Is there something being triggered in you? She said, “Yes. I’ve had experiences where teachers have moved or they’ve gone on leave or they’ve been promoted or they’ve got another job somewhere else or they wanted just a new experience. They had taught a certain grade level for a while. They wanted to try something new.” And she said, some parents are highly offended when a teacher chooses to move a grade level or a position or maybe shift from full-time to part-time while they’re raising their children or job sharing, whatever.

And we were talking about how interesting it is that in our profession as education, where the public has a very strong opinion about an adult’s professional decision relating to their career path. They’re very attached to what teachers should do and shouldn’t do. They have the mental manuals as I call them, about what a teacher should and shouldn’t do with her, his, their professional journey. 

Most professions are not like this. They’re not as complicated. If you’re working at corporate Nike, the average customer, they don’t care if you move up from an assistant director to a director position, or if you move locations. They care about the product, they care about the brand, they care about the quality of service they receive, the quality of care. They care about the experience that they have with the shoe and the sales process. When you walk into Nike, there’s a brand. There’s a feel, there’s a vibe. Just do it, right? It’s empowerment. You go in to get your Nike on, to get your empowerment on, to just do it. That’s what we want. We want to have the experience when we walk in and walk out and then have this shoe honor the brand, honor how they’re selling it.

It’s not about the individual who’s selling the product. It’s about the brand and the product and the experience that you have as a customer of Nike. And in education, we have attached the experience that children have, students and parents have, families with the individual. Now, it makes sense if you look at it, you know, objectively or neutrally, we’re like, it makes sense because the teacher in a classroom is the one person who creates the experience. They set up the environment. They are the ones who engage with the students. They’re the ones who set up that classroom environment, the peer environment, the learning environment, the instructional environment, and the parental experience, how they engage with parents, the communication style, the method, what they share, how often they share it. All of that is pretty much in the individual control of the teacher.

So, people will get attached to the individual because of the individual brand of that teacher, the individual marketing style of that teacher, the communication style of that teacher, the teaching style, the classroom management style. A teacher has an individual style. So I was thinking about this, kind of meta, right? Where there in other organizations, it doesn’t really matter if people change positions or advance themselves. It’s really about the quality of service and customer care regardless of who’s in the position. And in education, we’re very attached to the service because we equate and connect that service, correlate that service to a particular individual.

So as school leaders, we must navigate and balance the needs of our staff members who are humans, who are adults, who need to make decisions regarding their professional career and advancement and allow them that freedom and that agency to have the professional experience they desire to have, whether that’s staying in the same position for 30 years or whether that’s moving about every couple of years because they desire to learn and grow and evolve and change it up, or they want to climb the ladder and go from assistant teaching to teaching to coaching to leadership to whatever they want to do, superintendency, run for school boards. You know, there’s all kinds of jobs in education, county level, state levels. You can be on boards, you can work for professional organizations that are in education. Endless, there’s endless career opportunities.

And yet, when the public comes in and says, “We have an opinion about your professional journey,” we can get caught off guard. It can be very jarring to the system, and it can feel like they have the right to their opinion or they have the right to tell you kind of what to do and what not to do. It can feel very uncomfortable for you as the leader to balance out the needs of the families and protect the rights of your staff.

So I was helping this client navigate this situation back in March. And one of the things we talked about was how antiquated the mindset is regarding our teachers, particularly strong, empowered, successful teachers that are well liked in the community, that they should be expected to stay in that position forever and serve for as long as the community wants them to because it works for the community.

And because parents are focused on that individual providing the service to their child and counting on that person to be the service provider for their child, when that expectation is jarred for the parent, when the reality shifts and it’s met with change, parents can find it difficult to accept that the teacher that they expected to have, that they anticipated in having has desired to move on or has chosen to move on or is having a life change or is having a professional shift in their… who knows? Anything could happen.

But when it no longer becomes an option to have the individual that the parents want, they lose it. I dealt with this every year. Every year, there was a group of parents that would come in and be like, “I just want to talk to you about next year.” And they were very sweet about it and they wanted to be nice and kind of kiss up and plant the seed in advance just to let me know. This is what they’re thinking and this is why, or, you know, this is who my child is and this is the personality fit for them. 

Every year that happened. And also, every year at class list posting time, we had a big lemonade social for the class list to be posted and every single year, you know, “I really want to talk to you about this. This isn’t the right match. It’s not going to be a good fit for my child. This isn’t going to work for us.” Meeting, meeting, meeting, I need to talk with you.

So their expectations did not match the reality of their situation. It caused cognitive dissonance and they felt like they deserved the right to have their expectations met by having this teacher. Now, some of them, the teacher’s there and they just didn’t get the teacher and you have to have a conversation about not always getting your way. We’re going to give it a try.

So, this is not an unusual situation. It happens every year. You want to prepare for it, whether you’re a brand new leader or whether you’ve been doing this 10 years, you know it’s coming, okay? It happens in schools all over the place. As I was working with this client, what we realized is that there is something within our sphere of control. We have some empowerment here. We don’t have to be just taking it every year and feeling like we can’t control this and feeling like we can’t get a grip of this narrative and this expectation.

So, I want you to consider this. As school leaders, we can start to update the mindset and the expectation and the conversations that we have around staffing to set a different culture around teachers’ professional growth, teachers’ professional decisions, professional expansion and evolution, and their ability to have free will and agency over their careers. I want you to think about this. This antiquated way of thinking is teachers probably did used to stay a little more stagnant. The K team was the K team and the fourth grade team was the fourth grade team and the sixth grade team was the sixth grade team, right? And you had high school teachers who taught math for 30 years. I had them. I look back at my yearbook. I saw it on Facebook where these teachers, they taught until they retired. They taught until they retired.

The world is more dynamic. The world is more mobile. And people have the freedom and the will and the free agency to expand and evolve their experience many times over. We are no longer a stagnant society. We are very mobile. We are very active. We’re very dynamic. And as leaders, we want to bring this conversation to our communities and discuss it.

And we can navigate this narrative in a way that highlights the positive aspects of teachers who desire to evolve themselves and professionally grow and develop and to move themselves up. We want dynamic teachers. We want people engaging and being alive, not just rinse and repeat for 40, 50 years when one position.

So one of the things I suggested to my client was that she create this new narrative and share it with her community in advance, talking about it now. So this was back in March when all of the changes were starting. She had these conversations throughout the month of April and May, but we’re setting a tone.

We’re inviting people into a new mindset, into a new way of thinking about teaching, a new way of thinking about class assignments and teacher assignments. And this is true on both ends, like from the teacher’s perspective, the leader’s perspective, and the parent’s perspective, where we’re looking at the experience of the student, just like a customer, where no matter what grade level you’re in or who’s teaching, we want to have a standard of experience and we cultivate that, where our school is a brand, where our school, when you walk in, regardless of who’s serving your student, you’re going to get, hopefully, ideally, a similar experience, a standard of experience.

And then parents can expect, regardless of which teacher I have in, you know, the math department, I’m going to get the math experience. There’s an expectation of learning that will occur regardless of who’s teaching it. Or if you’re in elementary school, in the first grade, no matter what first grade teacher, who’s teaching first grade, our goal as a school and as a team is to provide a standard of experience, just like Nike does, regardless of who’s selling you the shoe for the corporate, you know, world, for the directors or for the managers, what they hope to obtain. And of course, it’s not perfect because we’re humans. We train people to have, these are the standards, these are the expectations, and this is the desire.

And we want to celebrate and embrace the fact that teachers are moving and changing, and we don’t know from year to year. Person A is teaching first grade this year, but they might be teaching fifth grade next year. And we honor and celebrate people who want to grow and learn. So as leaders, we have the option to set a new narrative when it comes to the expectations around staffing changes from year to year and create it in a way that is an empowering outcome, not just for teachers, but also a positive outcome for students and families.

And the key to sharing this new narrative with your community is to first think about how this updated perspective is better for them from their perspective. So, I think about this all the time, like, in order for people to get on board with something, they have to see the benefit of the change for themselves. Like, why would I change my mindset? Why would I change my belief system? Why would I change a behavior? Or why would I evolve my perspective if I don’t see the benefit of it? If it doesn’t serve me? I know that sounds like maybe people are being myopic or selfish or egotistical. It’s none of that. It’s just the way the brain works.

So what we have to see is in order for somebody to genuinely embrace a new perspective or understanding, a new mindset, they have to see what’s in this for me? Why would it be better for my child to have, you know, teachers who change grade levels every two or three years? Think about the answer to that. Imagine teachers who are willing to move grade levels or they want to advance themselves.

Think of the quality of instruction. Think of the perspective building. Think of the ability to classroom manage when you’ve taught kindergarten and you’ve taught sixth grade. You know, I don’t know exactly how it works in high school, but maybe you taught English, but now you’re also teaching history or you teach math and you teach science, whatever credentials. I know single subjects a little different, but expanding your capacity to teach different grade levels, ninth graders versus 12th graders, very different breed of human, 14 and 18 year olds, right? And the same is true with kinders and fifth graders.

So a teacher who can engage in different grade levels, in different curriculums, in different mindsets, contacts, work with different people, it expands their capacity professionally for them, which is better for kids. And imagine if you as a parent felt that no matter who was with your kid, there was a level of competency, a level of standard. And if we don’t get it right, just like if you go into Nike and there’s a defect in the shoe or you had a rude, you know, salesperson or maybe someone was having an off day or somebody was brand new and just didn’t know and your customer experience wasn’t great. It’s not that the goal is to be perfect and to always get it right. It’s not perfection, it’s intention.

And if somebody comes in, a parent and says, “Hey, this is not the experience I wanted. This is not working.” Okay, let’s work together to get it right. Let’s, you know, see what we can do. Let’s see what support we can provide to the teacher. Let’s see what support we can provide in the classroom. What is it from your child’s perspective? Do we do to enhance this experience? How can we solve this? And we look at all the ways. It shifts this focus from I have to have this individual to I want to create this experience. I want my child to have this experience, not this teacher.

So the reason a parent would want their child to have a particular teacher is because of the experience. Let’s separate out the person from the experience, and then as a staff, talk about what’s the experience that we want our children to have, our students to have, and our parents to have in every classroom, no matter what. Like there’s a standard of experience as they are basically our clients.

So think about this as you’re contemplating over the summer. I know you’ve just got a few weeks to go. Congratulations. But why would it be better for students if teachers were dynamic in their careers? Why would it be better for parents? How is it better for the school at large? The community at large when teachers are actively engaging in different capacities and that there are different assignments each year. Some people stay for a few years, some people stay for shorter time, longer time. That can even be dynamic.

But helping your community expand their perspective from the individual to the experience. So think about that over the summer, contemplate that. And what would you like your school experience to be, the set of standards, the brand you want to sell to your community? What’s the level of service we’re providing here regardless of the individual? One of the things I’m going to be taking EPC clients through in the fall is the teacher experience journey and the student experience journey and developing your approach to the upcoming year through the lens of the experience that you want to offer for students and staff members, and for yourself as well.

We’re doing this for everybody, for us, for them, for the greater good. It has to be a triple win here. So, think on this. Let me know your thoughts. I would love to hear the comments that parents have made and how you’ve handled it. I’d love to get your insights and perspective and wisdom. So come on in again to the Facebook group. Tell us everything. I want to hear from you. I look forward to meeting you online. And I will talk with you all next week. Take great care of yourselves. Talk to you soon. Bye.

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The Empowered Principal® Podcast Angela Kelly | Why School Leaders Gain Weight and How to Lose It with Jena Damiani

Have you ever wondered why so many school leaders gain weight after transitioning from teaching to administration? 

This week, I sit down with my dear friend and certified life coach Jena Damiani to unpack what we jokingly call the “admin 30” – those unwanted pounds that seem to appear overnight when you step into a leadership role. As both a school leader and a weight loss coach, she brings a unique perspective to this common but rarely discussed challenge.

Join us on this episode as Jena shares her personal journey of gaining 30 pounds during her first year as a principal and how she eventually lost it all while maintaining her demanding schedule. We dive into the five key reasons principals gain weight and why traditional weight loss approaches often fail in the high-stress environment of school leadership. This conversation gets real about emotional eating, the school culture of food-centered celebrations, and how the constant demands of leadership can sabotage your health goals.

 

The Empowered Principal® Collaborative is my latest offer for aspiring and current school leaders who want to create exceptional impact and enjoy the school leadership experience. Click here to join before June 1st, 2025 to get access to Jena’s 20 Pounds Down program for FREE!

 

What You’ll Learn From this Episode:

  • How the transition from teaching to leadership creates the perfect conditions for weight gain.
  • The top 5 reasons it’s so easy to gain weight and hard to lose weight when you’re in a leadership role.
  • Why the non-stop schedule of administration makes traditional meal planning nearly impossible.
  • How the food-centered culture in schools contributes to unhealthy eating patterns for leaders.
  • The connection between mental fatigue from decision-making and decreased willpower around food choices.
  • Why all-or-nothing thinking sabotages weight loss efforts for high-achieving school leaders.
  • How planning fun activities can reduce stress eating and increase overall satisfaction.
  • The importance of creating boundaries around your time to protect your health and model self-care for staff.

 

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Hello Empowered Principals. Welcome to episode 384. 

Welcome to The Empowered Principal® Podcast, a not so typical educational resource that will teach you how to gain control of your career and get emotionally fit to lead your school and your life with joy by refining your most powerful tool, your mind. Here’s your host certified life coach Angela Kelly. 

Angela Kelly: Well hello my empowered principals, happy Tuesday and welcome to the podcast. I have a very near and dear friend to my heart as our podcast guest today. You have heard her lovely voice before. This is Jena Damiani and she is a friend, she is a client, and she is a soap maker by the way. And she’s also a life coach.

So, we are going to talk about all the things. You’re going to get a sneak peek into our innermost conversations today. We just decided to jump on and share all of the tea with y’all today. So, Jena, welcome to the podcast.

Jena Damiani: Thank you so much. I’m so excited to be here.

Angela Kelly: And there’s a special reason why I had Jena on today. We didn’t just decide to chat with you all. Jena is a certified life coach for school leaders and she specializes in weight loss. And we’re going to talk about that today because I know for me personally, Jena, when I transitioned from teaching into school leadership, I gained over 20 pounds. And that was something I never saw coming. I did not have a struggle with my weight as a teacher.

I didn’t use food to comfort myself as a teacher. I’m thinking back in real time here, I taught kindergarten. We had some pizza, we would have birthday cake. So I had snacks around, I always had snacks in my room, but I wasn’t going home and eating my stress away or I didn’t recall being attached to food. But something shifted when I got into school leadership. The stress went up, the volume went to volume 10 and I think I was numbing out a little bit there.

So, can you speak to us about this? So, you’re a client of coaching, you are a coach, you’re certified and trained as a coach, so you have the capacity to see both ends of this and you’re in school leadership. So, can you enlighten us on what’s happening when we go into school leadership and we start diving into the sweets, the treats, maybe the wine?

Jena Damiani: Maybe the wine? It was not a maybe for me, but yes, absolutely. Yeah, so quickly to share my experience in terms of weight, transitioning from teacher to principal. I had a little bit of a different experience. I won’t take you through my entire history, but I had my third and final child and I was off for a year on maternity leave. I was still a teacher at the time and I got into the best shape of my life and I felt strong and healthy.

And then I went back to work and life hit me and adulting and all the things. And I started to gain the weight that I had worked so hard to lose over the year that I was off. And then when I transitioned into school leadership, my bad eating habits went with me into that leadership role, but it emphasized it. And you know how everybody always says when you go to college, you gain the freshman 15?

Yes. And I don’t know if this is a thing or if my friends and I are that clever that we came up with it, I don’t know. But we were, it’s the admin 30. Because I gained 30 pounds. Yes. Rapidly in a year. My first year of leadership, I gained 30 pounds. It sounds like you gained maybe 20. And it feels like it happens overnight. Of course, we know it doesn’t. But I broke down some reasons why I think that happens. So, if you’re ready, Angela, I say let’s start talking about…

Angela Kelly: Yeah, I want to dive into this because it feels like it happens to you, first of all, and it feels like it happens overnight, which we know it doesn’t, but our minds tell us that. And I also think it’s a slippery slope. I feel once you start on the path, it feels so much more difficult mentally to get out of the loop. 

And so I would love to personally hear what your thoughts are on this because I’m not, I don’t think about weight loss. I don’t solve that problem for school leaders and that’s why I wanted you to come on today is to help us with this because I do think a lot of people struggle physically with their physical health.

And then there’s body image on top of that and how they’re feeling about themselves and this spirals down. So I do think it’s a very important topic for school leaders because if we want to be at our innermost empowered state, that matters physically, mentally, and emotionally. And I think this is a component that we haven’t addressed, at least here on The Empowered Principal® Podcast.

Jena Damiani: Yeah, I’m happy to. Because I mean, to all the principals out there, it is a hard job, but it is necessary. And I truly believe anybody who’s out there in a principal role is there because they want to do good by their community, support teachers, students, all the things. But you can’t do that if you yourself aren’t taking care of if you’re not healthy. So, thank you, Angela for the opportunity to talk about this because I am very passionate about it.

So, I, because it’s a good point, I’ve been on both sides of it. I have also lost 30 pounds, so I lost my admin 30. I have some more weight to lose from weight I gained before I became an administrator. But I try to with my students break things down as simply as possible. Kind of what we do when we’re teachers, right?

And so I was able to pinpoint basically the top five things. Before we can solve a problem, we have to know how we got here. So, these are the top five things that I would say is what makes it so easy to gain weight when you’re in a leadership role. So without further ado, I’m going to start with the first one, Angela. Are you ready?

Angela Kelly: Okay, let’s go.

Jena Damiani: None of these principals is going to be shocking, but I think it’s important to take a step back and recognize what you experience in a work day. And so the first thing is you are in a high stress environment. That’s not to say that there isn’t some stress with teaching, but I’m sorry, it is not at the same level as when you’re a leader. So, the fact that you go from teaching in your one room of whatever, some hundreds in a school, right? You are now in charge of the entire school.

So it’s constant decision making, constant discipline issues, staff always need you, unexpected problems you can’t ever anticipate, and that in and of itself leads to emotional eating. Which is the reason why we gain weight. But the reason we’re eating is because of all of the things that we are now having to suddenly deal with that we did not have to deal with before. And no matter how good your principal certification program was, nothing prepares you for the role. Would you agree with that, Angela?

Angela Kelly: Oh. 2,000%. There’s theory and then there’s what happens with boots on the ground and it is not the same. You cannot theorize your way through a day, a week, a year of school leadership. You can’t.

Jena Damiani: No. And it is perfectly normal when you are feeling stressed to want to eat. It’s a way that – it’s honestly a very easy way to calm your body. Food is very easily accessible. And that’s certainly what I turn to. And the interesting thing was that I would work the entire day and not eat because I was doing all the things, whatsoever, and I wouldn’t eat at all during the day.

So in my mind, I’m like, I’m going to lose weight in this job. I’m not even eating during the day. And that couldn’t be further from the truth because then I’d go home at night, I’d eat dinner, but then I’d be snacking or having the wine at 10:00, 11:00 at night. Which is not going to lead to abs, unfortunately. 

So, I got in this habit of snacking and drinking in a way to unwind from this otherwise what I would describe as a grueling day, right? Before I had all of the mental tools that you were able to teach me through your program. I would argue if you’re overweight because you’re stressed, you’re actually quite smart. That’s the way that our brains are wired to survive. So it’s not that there’s anything wrong with you. I don’t know anybody who loses weight moving into an admin role. Quite frankly. Do you, Angela?

Angela Kelly: I mean, the only people I can think of are people who when they are stressed, their reaction is the opposite. Which there are people out there like that. I don’t think it’s the norm, but there are people. But even so, I know there are situations in my life where I have lost a lot of weight quickly because I was under stress, but it was a different kind of stress. And in the school leadership role for me personally, I like the way that you said this because coming home to the food.

I was the same way. You go 100 miles an hour from the time you get there till the time you leave. You’re grabbing a Diet Coke or you’re grabbing a granola bar or something. And then you get, so you’re thinking to yourself, I haven’t eaten all day. But what I found is after the nourishing meal that you, if you have an actual dinner or a salad or whatever you eat for dinner, that’s more nourishing. The snack, the wine, for me it was dependent on the day if it was a gin and tonic or a glass of wine, but it was, there was something that felt comfort.

It felt I could relax, unwind, and it was safe to let go of the front that I had to put on every day. Almost the armor that I was wearing all day long, being strong, making decisions, being in boss energy, going and I had this armor on and I could finally take that weight off of the school day. And sit by my fireplace and look at the fire, sip my wine or watch a movie, whatever we were doing as a family that night. 

And it felt so warm and cozy and fuzzy, a warm blanket wrapped around me that I didn’t look at it as overeating. I didn’t think of it as giving my body something it didn’t need. What my heart was saying and my mind was saying was, I need this more than anything else right now.

Jena Damiani: Yes, I deserve this. I honestly feel like I woke up one day 30 pounds heavier. I didn’t realize it was happening in the moment and I think that you so perfectly described why. It doesn’t feel even a bad habit in the moment. It’s, I deserve this. This is what I need. I worked hard today, so now this is my time to unwind.

Angela Kelly: Yes.

Jena Damiani: And it feels good. It does take the stress off for a little bit. You do have a little escape for a moment. In what you’re feeling, especially, I’ve coached with you, Angela. We’ve been together for six years. Isn’t that crazy?

Angela Kelly: I know it’s crazy, right?

Jena Damiani: But I can’t say enough about Angela. If you’re a principal and you’re not working with her, you need to be because she’s amazing. And I can’t say enough about how much she’s taught me and how much better I feel in being able to navigate emotions and it’s helped me beyond the principalship, but absolutely.

So, this leads into the second thing that I identified of why it’s so easy to gain weight when you’re a principal. And that is the non-stop schedule. So when you’re a teacher, again, I’m not saying at all that teaching is easy. We know it’s not.

Angela Kelly: Definitely not.

Jena Damiani: But when you’re a teacher, you have a contract time where you begin work and you have a contract time when you end work. And you don’t have to work prior or after that for the most part. I mean, are there some exceptions if you have a meeting or whatever, sure. But in the general day-to-day, you know when you’re working, you know when you’re not. Your weekends are free, your evenings are free. And you also have a scheduled lunch, you have a scheduled prep. A lot of teachers work under contracts, so this is protected time through if you’re part of a union. 

So, you go from this very structured, predictable schedule, specifically with your time, to then you’re an admin. And it feel you work 24/7. Your phone can ring at any time. There’s expectations that you’re checking your email. There’s expectations that you’re working evenings. There’s no allotted lunchtime. You’re often eating while you’re doing something else to get food into…

Angela Kelly: You’re monitoring lunchtime is what you’re doing.

Jena Damiani: Yes. Yeah. Or, we already said, you’re not even eating lunch at all. You’re watching other people eat. And then the off chance that you have a couple of minutes or if you’re driving back from district office because you had a meeting and you’re going back to your onsite building, you’re driving through the fast food line. Because that’s the realistic thing in your mind to do because it’s quick. You can get back to class. You can get back to the school. And that shift in schedule, I think can create such an easy way to gain weight.

Angela Kelly: So true. I did not even acknowledge until just now how often I ate out two reasons, now that I’m thinking of it. Number one, the fast food was for the speed, right? And I could eat it in my car between the fast food restaurant and the school, so there was no downtime. I would shove it in. And I’m not even fond of fast food, but you get in a habit of it’s easy, it’s fast, it’s convenient. You can expedite getting food into your system.

But the other reason, now that I think about it, is it was a midday treat. If I did eat lunch, it would be another form of a little break or a reward or I deserve this. Sometimes my secretary would say, hey, we’re ordering the local taqueria, what do you want? And I’m, oh, I’m good. And of course there would be this whole tray of food at my desk. And of course I have to eat it because it was delicious, but…

Jena Damiani: Yeah. Well, see now that’s where I’m also different. There were no better words spoken than we’re ordering out for lunch. Yes. And I’d order a cheesesteak and fries and I’d wonder, I don’t know how I gained all this weight. I can’t believe it. Why am I not feeling well? I can’t imagine why I’m not. It just… And this is funny because Angela, you don’t have the list that I have, but everything that you’re saying leads perfectly into the next thing.

Because reason number three of why it’s easy to gain weight as a principal is because of this food-centered culture that we have in schools. Now, we already know this as teachers. There seems to always be treats in the office or in the teacher’s lounge. And as a teacher, hey, listen, it can be easy to snack on those things and have those extra calories. 

But again, you only have certain times during the day that you are off. And the rest of the time you’re in your classroom, you’re busy, even if you’re thinking about the cupcakes that are in the teacher’s lounge, you can’t go get one because.

Angela Kelly: Donuts. Yes.

Jena Damiani: You’re teaching. Whereas, yes, as a principal, you can move around a lot more freely, but you have access to these treats. All of the time. And it’s very easy to start grabbing all day long snacking. And usually it’s not a veggie platter. Usually it’s something along donuts or cupcakes.

Angela Kelly: Ice creams.

Jena Damiani: Yeah, something sweet or something salty, typically not figure-friendly foods. And when we’re stressed out and I didn’t Here’s the other thing. I wouldn’t have packed my lunch because…

Angela Kelly: No.

Jena Damiani: I would wake up late because I’m tired. You know, and then I’d rush to school.

Angela Kelly: Trying to get three children out the door.

Jena Damiani: Yes, that too. And if I’d be hungry and then I’d end up eating whatever food’s around, which, there’s always a birthday happening in a school. We know this. Someone’s birthday is always occurring and there’s always snacks.

Angela Kelly: Yes.

Jena Damiani: So then, reason number four, it is easy to gain weight as a principal. Is lack of motivation. And I mean this with zero judgment, but you’re working long hours, you’re sitting in meetings, you’re dealing with non-stop problems. The last thing I felt doing when I got home after a day like that was putting on my sneakers and getting my rear end out the door to go for a walk or run or well, okay, I don’t run. Who am I kidding? 

But I didn’t want to go exercise. That was the last thing on my mind when I got home. I certainly didn’t want to wake up earlier than I already was and work out in the morning. So, when I was in this cycle of overworking, not managing my emotions, eating and drinking when I shouldn’t be, late at night typically. I did not have the motivation to be able to change anything. I was in a very unfortunate cycle.

Angela Kelly: Was it because we thought we didn’t have any more energy to give? I mean, when I would come home, I felt there was no more energy to give to a walk or to even the mental energy to think about making healthy choices. It was I had hit my plateau of my capacity to be disciplined, if that makes sense.

Jena Damiani: Yeah, no. I think for me, it was a little bit of I honestly wanted to numb out a little bit, I think. I wanted to escape on social media, scroll on social media, and escape whatever negative emotion I was feeling from the day, escape the stress. There’s also the piece that if you have a young family, if you still are in if you have children and they’re in activities, you’re also coming home, you’re cooking your family dinner or you’re cleaning up the dinner or both, or somebody doesn’t have clean underwear, so now you got to do laundry. Someone has soccer practice. So, there’s also that piece where you work your full-time job, but then you also come home and you’ve got your family life to handle, which makes you more exhausted.

Angela Kelly: Yeah, really. Yeah. And in that case for me, that is true too, but I was a single mom, so I was when I was on the days, the week that I had him, it was 100% on. And then I had the week that he was with his dad. This is when he was younger. Eventually he lived with me full-time, but in the beginning, I was all or none. But even on the weeks where I was not, I was more socializing because I couldn’t socialize as a single woman when I had my son.

Because I was doing mom things or we were doing boy scouts and we were doing all of his events. And then the other week would be my non-mom week where I was out. And that’s when I would go out for happy hour with girlfriends or go on a date or go to the movies with a friend or something to get out of the house and to be in that adult energy. 

And again, you said, the culture at schools, and I think the culture in adults is it revolves around happy hours or going out for dinner. It revolves around food and drink. And that is how we are programmed, what we are programmed to believe is pleasure, would you say?

Jena Damiani: Oh, absolutely. Yes.

Angela Kelly: Yeah. So it’s, it’s the pleasure of the friendships and the outing, but it’s also coupled entangled with this pleasure of having a glass of wine or having appetizers and snacks. Or if you come home, grabbing the popcorn and the M&M’s. That’s what we used to eat all the time. We would have popcorn and M&M’s together when we’re watching movies. And that was on top of dinner.

Jena Damiani: The other thing, you said happy hour and that maybe remember that when I would do that as a principal, there was a comfort in commiserating with other admin who get it. Because there’s also the other piece to this where you don’t feel understood, especially if you’re a building leader who’s the only leader at your site. Can feel lonely. And so when you’re with others who can relate or they’re they know the people that you work with and they can provide some sort of comedic relief for you, that is nice to have.

Angela Kelly: Yes.

Jena Damiani: But you’re so It is nice, but in the same breath, that with happy hour is not a good, was not a good mixture for me because I was eating wings.

Angela Kelly: It wasn’t a net positive gain. You would go and it felt good initially. It’s almost when you eat candy or ice cream, the initial feels good, but then your tummy doesn’t feel so good afterwards and you’re, that was not a net positive. I felt the times where I went out with colleagues, sometimes it was, I left energized and happy that I did it, but a lot of times. What I think commiserating is actually net negative. It pulls your energy down and it confirms and it reaffirms that things are so bad and whatever. 

And we did it as teachers. We blah over happy hour as a teacher. And now as an admin, you don’t go out very often as often with your admin. But when we did, it was the same thing. Blah, blah, blah. And then you go home and it’s, ew, that felt yucky. It wasn’t uplifting or inspiring or energizing. And now on top of it, I ate a bunch of fried cheese sticks and nachos or something.

Jena Damiani: Absolutely. Again, no one’s getting the veggie platter at the…

Angela Kelly: No, you’re getting margaritas. Come on. We’re being honest on The Empowered® Principal Podcast today.

Jena Damiani: We are being real. And then the fifth reason why it’s hard to gain weight as a principal. Which is similar to the lack of motivation that we already talked about, is the mental fatigue, the amount of mental fatigue. Everyone has experienced mental fatigue. But in my opinion, experiencing the difference between that in a teaching role versus that in a leadership role, I wasn’t prepared for the level that it was. 

And the amount of decisions that you make in a day. Forget about willpower. Forget about wanting to stick to a healthy meal plan. You’re looking for the comfort foods. And I was not prepared for the level that I would experience with that. And the other piece, which we’ve already said, is that other principals are experiencing the same thing as you and are doing the same things as you. 

So as I look back and reflect, a lot of my – I loved the people that I have worked with, both as a teacher and as a principal. But we didn’t necessarily help each other out because we both were having the same problems and solving the problems the same way because we didn’t know any other way to do it.

Angela Kelly: Which made it more comfortable for you to do it in that way. So if other people were eating and drinking and you were eating and drinking, it normalized it, the behavior. And it didn’t call out the habit, it actually confirmed it. What’s the word I’m looking for? When it solidified that.

Jena Damiani: Confirm, yeah.

Angela Kelly: Yeah, that’s the behavior that is normal.

Jena Damiani: It felt very normal and we all gained weight and it was for a moment, I was accepting that this is how it was. And I was settling for, oh, well, this is what I signed up for. I want to be a principal, so I’m gonna gain weight.

Angela Kelly: This is the price you pay.

Jena Damiani: Yes. And that’s such nonsense, but I was subscribing to that for a period of time before I learned better. So those are the five reasons that it’s easy to gain weight, but then I also identified five reasons it’s hard to lose weight. Can we transition to talking about that?

Angela Kelly: Yeah, let’s transition because I hope there are five ways why it’s easy.

Jena Damiani: There are, but we’re going to start by talking about why it’s hard. We’re going to normalize why it’s hard because too many people take these five things that I’m going to tell everybody and they make it mean that they somehow it can’t be done. They can’t that they’re – have to settle. And there’s no rule on what number has to be on the scale or what size clothing that you’re wearing. Every person decides that for themselves. 

But I can tell you that I would look in the mirror 30 pounds heavier and I didn’t recognize myself or I’d see a photo of me. You do have your photo taken fairly often in a leadership role and I’d be, oh my gosh, is that what I look like? It just It didn’t feel right to me. It didn’t feel right and I didn’t feel good. I did not feel good. I was pretending everything was fine and I was putting on a happy face for my colleagues at work and even my family. But there was something inside that I knew this was not what I wanted. 

And so I feel a lot of principals are in this boat where you maybe are past the point where we talked about how you go unconscious and you gain all this weight, you don’t even realize it. That’s stage one. Then in my opinion, stage two is when you have the realization, okay, whoa, I gained this weight. I don’t want this weight on my body. And now this stage is where principals try to lose weight and typically fail at it. 

So here are again, I take the five things from doing the job, from coaching other people. These are the five reasons, top five reasons why it’s hard to lose weight as a principal. So the first one is lack of time because in our roles, something always feels urgent. And the first thing that we tend to put to the side when something seems urgent is our own agenda, our own priorities. 

So that could be things from meal prepping to exercise or any self care, even if it’s I’m going to commit to giving myself 15 minutes of time to eat my lunch. That can very easily be pushed aside when a teacher shows up in your doorway and thinks that they have an emergency.

Angela Kelly: Exactly.

Jena Damiani: You know, and the truth is that of course there are times where it is urgent, it is an emergency and we have no problem not eating in that time. There’s a fire in the building, you’re obviously not going to keep eating your salad. Obviously. But 99.9% of the time when someone comes to you with what they think is so urgent, it isn’t urgent at all. It might be urgent to them, but it doesn’t mean that they can’t wait 10 minutes or whatever the circumstance may be. So it’s this thought that you don’t have the time and that you need to respond to all of the other people’s what they deem as urgent. I’m sure you can remember this, Angela.

Angela Kelly: I mean, oh, yes. It’s the idea that your lunch time is less important than whatever’s walking in the door. And you don’t want people to feel bad to think that your lunch is more important than them. So whatever you’re eating, it should be put to the side because it’s less important than the person in front of you. And look, as a coach for school leaders, if that’s your style and that’s your approach and it works for you and it feels good, that’s one thing. 

However, if you’re not feeling the way you want to feel in your body, and part of it is that you’re not able to eat all day or you’re consistently munching because you don’t sit down and have a 15, 20-minute window to eat something that feels nourishing and fulfilling to your body. Then it’s time to look at what is it in my mind that’s making me believe I don’t have 15 minutes in my day to prioritize my lunch. 

I mean, this sounds such a minuscule thing to think about as a leader, but it has a massive impact on your identity, on your body image, on how you feel about yourself, on just your self-efficacy in you as a person and you as a leader. It’s these little things that gnaw at us and without awareness, you find yourself 30 pounds heavier or you find yourself fatigued all the time. 

Or you find yourself in this low grade dissatisfaction and you’re not sure how to put your finger on it, but it’s because there isn’t a time and a space where you are the priority or your lunch is the priority. And if you can’t be the priority for 15 minutes a day. What does that mean about who you are and how you feel about yourself and what you believe about yourself and what you think? And so it really is much bigger than I should be polite to the person who’s coming in while I’m eating my salad. It’s so much more than that, Jena.

Jena Damiani: Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. And it’s a mindset shift, right? Because if we’ve been telling ourselves all this time that the minute somebody or no, this is my favorite, the open door policy. We’ve been telling ourselves that we have an open door policy. We somehow make that mean that we can’t have simple requests like a 10-minute lunch to ourselves where we can close our door and we’re not interrupted for 10 minutes. It’s somehow we get it twisted. In an effort to want to do well, we sometimes sabotage our own health.

Angela Kelly: Yes. I’m just going to say it. I hate open door policy. Stop it. Renegotiate that with yourself. Here’s the deal. This is a side note, but I have to say it because I can’t stand it. When you decide to communicate when it’s best to reach you. When can teachers reach you? They can reach you before school and after school. They can reach you probably at their lunchtime, which some maybe your lunchtime. And then they try to reach you at their recess time or their prep break or whatever. 

Now, they are going to come at you at all times of day if you don’t say, this is the best time to reach me. And these are my office hours, or this is the time where if you want to drop in, if you have something that’s less than 15 minutes, you can drop in from this time to this time, designating times for drop in versus a 24/7 365 open door policy. Because if you think about what that means, open door policy means I’m a doormat. Please come in and walk in through my door at whatever time, whatever you need, whether it’s relevant or not, whether it’s an emergency or not. And let me set aside my entire life to serve you. 

That is not an empowered principal. And to be honest with you guys, teachers don’t like it. They want to know. When can I come and actually get your attention? So I don’t have to watch you eating your salad or I don’t have to feel like I’m putting you out. It’s much better to tell people, this is when you can reach me. And the fact that you give yourself 15 minutes to eat a lunch before you go in and do lunch duty or before you go out to recess or before you go to that meeting or whatever you’re doing with the rest of your day. 

It indicates to your brain and to the people that you’re leading that you have standards and boundaries. It sets a precedent, not just for you, but for them. It’s for the greater good. Just trust me on this. I know it sounds silly, but it does change the energy and it changes the interactions that you have with people on your campus. Sorry for that. Sorry, I didn’t mean to rant off, but…

Jena Damiani: No.

Angela Kelly: I value this so much because you’re never going to eat lunch if you have a true open door policy, never. Because they know to get you at the lunchtime.

Jena Damiani: Yes. Well, and it’ll make it that much harder for you to lose weight. The other thing that I underestimated because with Angela being my coach, she coached me on this. And so I was working on building in this time for myself within the day. And what I realized is that teachers are watching and it gave them permission to really enjoy their lunch and not feel like they have to stop eating because a parent emailed and they have to respond right away. 

It really created and modeled the healthy boundaries that in theory everyone should have, but some of our teachers that are similar to us in terms of they’re wanting to work and help and they’re having a hard time turning it off and prioritizing themselves, by you modeling that, it is also helping your staff. So it’s a double win.

Angela Kelly: Yeah, that’s a really good point. We need to give everyone permission to take 15 minutes to themselves. It maintains the sanity, people. It really does.

Jena Damiani: It does. Yes, it does.

Angela Kelly: A little goes a long way.

Jena Damiani: So then the second reason why it’s hard to lose weight as a principal is that we tend to have all or nothing thinking. A good quality of educators is that we strive for excellence, but that can work against us when it comes to losing weight. Because we don’t see results immediately. It’s something that we have to have consistency over a period of time to see results. 

And so because of that, we think the minute that we can’t or don’t do something perfectly, it becomes an afterthought. Oh, I can’t pack my lunch every day because I only did once this week. And then we move on and go back to our comfort foods and happy hours. But at the same time, we’re still in some emotional pain because we do want to lose weight. We do want to be healthier. 

And then that leads into number three of why it’s hard to lose weight, the emotional overload, which we’ve talked already about this. But when you’re dealing with students in crisis. When you’re being told that staff morale is down. When you’re sitting in a district meeting and they’re laying out their expectations of you and you’re feeling very overwhelmed and wondering to yourself, how am I going to do all the things? That’s going to lead to stress eating and drinking. That’s how we got overweight to begin with. We’ve got to break that cycle. We have to be able to respond to stress in a different way. But until you have the skill set to do that, you can learn, anyone can learn, but until you learn the skill set, that emotional overload makes it hard to lose weight.

Angela Kelly: It’s tough because emotional regulation, emotional maturity and expanding our capacity to feel our emotions instead of what we call buffer them or suppress them or avoid them and try to circumvent them. When you can lean into an emotion, even if you do it for a minute and you say, I’m disappointed with today. Today, there was a big disappointment or I was discouraged or, oh, we missed the mark, we wanted to, we didn’t hit our target scores or our attendance is down or something horrible happened to a student or a staff member. And you’re feeling the weight of that and the responsibility of that as a leader. 

Look, when you go into school leadership, you don’t drop your emotions at the door. When you’re a teacher, you feel all the feels for the kids. That backpack comes with you. You can’t detach yourself emotionally. You’re still a human in the leadership position. But there’s more emotion coming at you. You’re holding space for teachers and staff and families and community and your district administrators and yourself. And then you go home and then you have your own family and your friends and your children and your parents and your all of that. 

So it’s this gentle stretching. It’s when you’re doing yoga and you’re gently stretching your muscles to stretch a little bit more and handle a little bit more. It seems to me that’s what Jena, you’re saying is this emotional bandwidth is an art, it’s a skill, it’s a practice. That we do yoga, you never perfect yoga, but you practice it daily. 

Just like with eating, we can practice feeling a little bit more and not eating as a reaction to our emotions. Even if we hold off for five minutes and I used to play this game where it’s, I’m going to wait five minutes for the wine. And I would say 50% of the time, it passed. The urge passed and I was, no, actually I’m okay now. Because it was, well, the feeling’s still there and it passed. Other times after five minutes, if I still felt the urge, I was, I’m still going to choose to drink tonight. But it felt different. It felt I was in control more than it was happening to me and I it was out of my control and I was eating the popcorn or pouring the wine or whatever. Does that land at all with what you teach your clients?

Jena Damiani: Oh my gosh, yes. Absolutely. And I can totally relate too with just my own experience, for sure.

Angela Kelly: Yeah. So we just, we’re here to let you know guys, emotions are the hardest thing you do. And if you are responding to reacting to your emotions with food, you are not alone at all. And it’s normal because it’s such a comfort. And we don’t always nail emotional bandwidth. Sometimes we are at our capacity. And it’s okay if you have a night where you give into that urge, you’re human, it’s normal. We’ve got you. And as Jena said, it’s not all or none, it’s not about perfection, it’s about creating awareness.

Jena Damiani: Well, that’s how you get anything to change. You have to be aware of it first before anything can change. So I hope that even if one person listens to this podcast and has that light bulb of, oh my gosh. If you had that moment of feeling they are reading my mind, then you’re already better off than someone who’s still unconsciously snacking and staying up too late to try and numb out from the day because that means that you’ve now become aware. And once you’re aware of something, then you can take action to change it if you want to.

Angela Kelly: Yeah, exactly. Good. Okay, keep going. I love this list.

Jena Damiani: I have two more things. Yeah, so the fourth thing that makes it hard to lose weight as a principal is if you don’t have something that is a habit, something that you know how to do and that you use for time management. Because the truth is, schedules are always changing. You’ve got your personal life combined with your work life. And there will always be something happening when you’re a school leader. That’s not going to go away. 

And if you don’t have a tool to be able to manage your time. Then forget being able to have structured meal plans or to plan your meals or to plan your workouts. All of that’s going to be so much more difficult. And a lot of the people that I work with when they come to me, once they get this down pat, they see a lot of weight loss results. So don’t underestimate having something to do with time management. And I know that I thought I was so good with time when I first started working with you, Angela. And I have I remember that you coached me many times on my time management. You remember those days, don’t you?

Angela Kelly: Yes. We were co-designing the ideal time management because there’s two parts of time management by the way. There’s your relationship with time, your thoughts and your feelings around time. There’s the relationship you have with time and then there is the execution of the planning. So there’s two components of that. 

We talk about that in EPC, but with Jena, Jena was one of my very first principals, you guys. So she’s near and dear to my heart. But yeah, we were co-creating a relationship with time in combination with the execution of how she planned her time and prioritized her time, but also constrained, right? Not trying to make everything a priority and not trying to solve everything all at once. So there was a work in progress.

Jena Damiani: It’s so nice of you just to word it like that, but…

Angela Kelly: Yes. But look at the strides that I’ve made. Look at me now.

Jena Damiani: You’re pro. I can have two businesses and still work full-time and have three kids.

Angela Kelly: I just want to say that. Did you hear what she just said? She went from not being able to manage her time, so she said, which she did do beautifully by the way, but she has three children at home. She works full-time as a principal and she’s running two businesses. And she’s married, which is another full-time job.

Jena Damiani: Yes. And I promise you, I’m very normal.

Angela Kelly: And her husband is in school administration, right, Jena?

Jena Damiani: Yeah, he’s a principal too. And I love to sleep nine hours. I don’t typically get nine hours, but if I could, I would. And on the weekends, I love to sleep in. So I’m not somebody who’s only sleeping four hours a night. Okay, Angela, this last one, I saved the best for last. 

Angela Kelly: Okay, tell us.

Jena Damiani: Because I do – you have taught me so many things over the past six years, but I would say this is probably one of the best tips or best things you ever taught me that, not to sound cheesy guys, but truly changed my life. It’s also a reason that if you aren’t doing this, it can make losing weight hard as a principal. It is if you don’t plan fun.

Angela Kelly: Yes.

Jena Damiani: I remember Angela, you said to me, or actually, maybe it was even one of your podcasts. It may have been both. I know you coached me on it. You said to me that I shouldn’t wait for fun to find me, that I have to go create the fun.

Angela Kelly: Yes.

Jena Damiani: That was the my first year as a principal and a few days later it was they, my school at the time did a Halloween parade. I was leading an elementary school. And so I purchased this blow up unicorn costume that everyone thought was so hysterical. And so all the kids came to school in their costumes. And we did a parade on the school grounds. 

And there was a student, I’ll never forget it, who was a blow up dinosaur. And he I started running to him. The school that I was a very long hallway and he was at the end of the hallway and he started running to me. So I started running to him and somebody played music. I don’t even know how that even happened. Music started playing and we danced together. It’s such a fun memory now looking back. 

But there’s a very simple example of I wasn’t even going to dress up for the parade. I went from in this cycle of again, I was I it was I was coming from a good place. I was trying, I wanted to be a good leader. I wanted to do all the things, but I was quite honestly, I was burning out, right? And gaining weight at the same time. And you said that to me and that night I ordered the costume on Amazon, put it on and then I had the most fun that I’ve ever had probably since I’ve been a principal, that was such a fun day. And so that is the truth in all the things that are happening in school leadership. The last thing probably on your mind is planning something fun, but don’t underestimate it because if you’re not having fun, it’s probably hard for you to lose weight.

Angela Kelly: What’s the point? What is the point?

Jena Damiani: If you’re not having fun, you’re probably stewing in the stress, in the problems. That’s not to say those things are going to completely disappear, they aren’t. It’s learning how to have those things in your life as a principal and still have fun. And it feels you can’t have both, but Angela taught me you actually can.

Angela Kelly: Yes. Oh, I love that. That’s such a good way to end. And because here’s the truth, fun is not coming through the door. You know what I realized? I remember thinking, I’m in the big leagues now, it’s time to get serious. And I got very rigid and very serious and I didn’t have time for silliness and I didn’t dress up for a while either. 

And you know what? My job was not very fun at all. I was being too serious. I was taking things too heavy, too seriously. And finally I just – actually it was one of my colleagues. It was lighten up. What’s happened to you? You were so fun and now you’re such a bummer.

Jena Damiani: Yeah, maybe it’s part of it is, I think especially for females, it can feel like in order to be taken seriously, maybe you need to not be as bubbly, you need to be a little more stern or who knows. I mean, there’s so many factors that are at play, but I am telling you. If you plan fun, watch how much better you feel, watch how much less you think about food. Try it principals.

Angela Kelly: This is so true. Because think about this. The reason you’re eating is you’re seeking pleasure. The brain, the motivational triad of the brain is to seek pleasure, avoid pain and make things as easy as possible. And if the only pleasure that you’re giving yourself or allowing yourself is to eat when you get home, you’re not even giving yourself the pleasure of lunch. And the only pleasure in your day is to snack at home all night and there’s no fun throughout the day or nothing pleasurable to look forward to, you will default to seeking that pleasure through food. 

And what I have found is when I’m doing things that are genuinely fun, or I one of the things I love to do was make plans on a Wednesday night, mid week. Have something fun to look forward to because that anticipation of the fun is half of the fun is the anticipation. And then do something on the weekend that’s fun. Have some things you’re looking forward to and you’ll notice a shift in how you feel. Because we eat based on how we’re feeling. Would you say that’s true, Jena?

Jena Damiani: Absolutely.

Angela Kelly: I mean, there’s a difference between the sensation of being hungry, the actual sensation of hunger, and then the emotional vibration of I’m uncomfortable and I want to comfort myself with a little snack.

Jena Damiani: Yeah. Some chips.

Angela Kelly: Some salsa. A strawberry margarita perhaps? Yes.

Jena Damiani: Oh, yes.

Angela Kelly: Okay. So Jena, let’s talk about weight loss for school leaders. I want to let the listeners know where they can find you, what’s going on in your world of weight loss for school leaders, and tell them all the things. What’s going on for you right now?

Jena Damiani: Right now, I have a program called 20 Pounds Down. I’m almost at my two year anniversary, which I can’t believe.

Angela Kelly: Oh wow.

Jena Damiani: I know. So all of my students who have gone through the program have lost 20 pounds. The ones who have not yet gotten there are all at 17. That’s the minimum weight that my clients have lost. I have two over 30 pounds. It’s amazing. And so I want to create a group to go through my program 20 Pounds Down, but that it’s specifically geared for principals, led by a principal, so it’s someone who understands what makes the job so taxing, who can teach you how to get out of that, get out of that cycle. 

It’s built for real life leaders that I understand the long days and the high stress and the unpredictable schedules. And so I created a program around how I did it. I lost now it’s 30, but at the time when I created the program, I had lost 20 pounds, working full-time, doing all the things that you are all doing. I’m no special unicorn. That was my Halloween costume a couple years ago. I’m a very normal person who’s trying to make it at work like everybody else. 

The reason I say that is because if I can do it, I know anybody who wants to do this can do this. You have to be shown the way. Weight loss is a skill, and like any skill, anybody can learn it. And so that’s an exciting new development for me in my business. I’m on Facebook and Instagram. My business name is The School of Best Self. So Instagram handle is School of Best Self.

Angela Kelly: We’ll drop that link in the notes for you guys.

Jena Damiani: Oh, thank you. Thank you. I have a lot of free workshops and webinars that I’ve done that you can start to listen to if you want to learn more. And then if you’d like to join me, I would love to have you. But I also can’t say enough about working with Angela in EPC and being with like-minded people who are doing all of the things that school leaders do. So I would like to offer something special, Angela, if…

Angela Kelly: Yes, we have a very special, once in a lifetime offer for you guys. We were concocting this just before we jumped on. And we’re so excited and so delighted to be offering, there’s going to be a combination offer here. For those of you who would like to join EPC. So this podcast is airing in May. And I believe, Jena, you can tell me the details, your program, your summer program is going to run June, July, August. Is that correct?

Jena Damiani: Yes, we start June 1st and we go through the month of August.

Angela Kelly: Okay. So it’s a three-month program for school leaders, 20 pounds down. I just think this is so magical of you to do, Jena. I want to tear up thinking about it. So listen up guys. For those of you who are interested in joining EPC in the fall, we will be opening back up in we end on Memorial Day, and we take June and July off to reboot and recoup. And then we start back up in August. 

For those of you who sign up early, if you sign up before June 1st for EPC, The Empowered Principal Collaborative, and of course, we’ll put the link to sign up for EPC in the show notes, Jena is going to let you attend 20 Pounds Down for free.

Jena Damiani: Yes. I hope you take us up on this. I would love to have you.

Angela Kelly: You’re going to get a year of EPC and 20 Pounds Down for the price of joining EPC. Because Jena is a miracle worker and she – let me tell you this, Jena is a one on one client. Jena is a client in EPC, so she’s in EPC. She’ll be your colleague in EPC and we mastermind and we EPC this year has been epic. I cannot wait. 

And I actually am going to host an EPC session where we are podcasting as an EPC group. Because I think the dynamic is magical this year. It’s been epic that the energy and the ideas that are coming and the support. Oh, it warms my heart. So Jena’s in that group as well. And if you join before June 1st into EPC, you’re going to get a full year of mentorship and coaching and support and masterminding, but you’re also going to get 20 pounds down. I mean, an incredible offer. So, Jena, can you tell us a little bit more about 20 pounds down? How does it work and where would they sign up and all of that?

Jena Damiani: Absolutely. So, if you are going to take us up on this offer, then you would sign up for EPC and then Angela, I would then through your list, invite them, invite them for free to that. So that’s what we’ll do. That’s how we’ll work that. Okay. So the only thing that you would have to do is sign up for EPC, and then I will send you the information, the login information, all that good stuff for free for 20 Pounds Down. 

So 20 Pounds Down is a program. So it includes a course that you can access. It’s through an app. You can, of course, use your laptop, but you can download the app and listen on the go from your phone. And so it’s a self-paced course. You get instant access. It’s short lessons to teach you the skill of weight loss. I try to keep things as short and concise as I can. I mean, like all of you, I was a teacher before I was a principal, so I’m I think I’m pretty good at teaching. 

So I’ll teach you the skill of how to lose weight. So you’ll listen to those lessons on your own time. And then in addition to that, we have a private Facebook group that you can join to be a part of where you can always ask questions. Share wins, connect with other people who are also working to lose the weight. I also have a weekly coaching call where you can come on the call. I do some teaching, but then you can also ask questions. I can coach you. It’s meant to make sure that I’m supporting all of my people in my group. So that’s a little bit more about 20 Pounds Down.

Angela Kelly: Oh gosh, I love that so much. Thank you so much. Jena, thank you for your time today. Thank you for being on the podcast. It’s going to change lives. I feel it’s going to save lives because without your physical health or your mental health, your emotional health, you cannot be the most empowered version of yourselves. And we want you guys living the fullest life possible. 

We want you to enjoy your professional life and your personal life. And we want you to sleep better, we want you to feel better, we want you to be 20 pounds down so that you can be in the energy of empowerment and creating the memories of a lifetime and living the best experience possible. So Jena, thank you for being such an integral part of EPC and being here today on the podcast. I mean, I think this is your third time on the show?

Jena Damiani: It is.

Angela Kelly: Is it? Holy wow. We talked about her as a first-year principal and then we talked about all of her growth and now here she is. Certified life coach. She has another business called The School of Scents, right? You have to follow her on Instagram. They are the cutest little gifts. You could get them for your teachers, you could get them for your peers, your colleagues, darling. 

So check her out on Instagram School of Scents. Shameless plug, I don’t care. I love the soaps. She sent me some for Christmas. They are so cute. The packaging is crazy. But the scents are incredible. I love it. So anyway, you are a miracle, you’re an angel. I love you. You’re my friend, you’re my colleague, and I adore you to pieces. So thank you for all you do in the world. And I’ll see you in EPC.

Jena Damiani: Thank you so much. Love you too, Angela. And I owe a lot of where I am in my life to you and all of the things you taught me.

Angela Kelly: Let’s go celebrate together.

Jena Damiani: That sounds good.

Angela Kelly: Okay. Take good care. All right, everybody, have a great week. We’ll talk to you next week. Take care. Bye.

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